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Inu's 700P project complete.

With permission from Inu, here is what his long range rifle looks like after completion.

Here is the list of items used:

Factory Remington 700P
Badger Ordance M5 detachable magazine bottom metal
Badger Ordance 20MOA scope rail
Badger Ordance Standard height rings
Badger Ordance Bolt handle
Super Sniper fixed 10x Mil Dot Scope

+++ Bolt handle had to be milled off and threaded to accept the new Badger bolt knob.

+++ Stock had to be inleted to accept the oversized Badger bottom metal

+++ 700 reciever had to be faced inside to accpet the detachable magazine

+++ 700 Reciever and bolt lapped to smoothen action

+++ Trigger tuned

+++ Action mounted to stock and bottom metal, torqued to 65 inch pounds

+++ Badger base mounted and torqued to 18 inch pounds.

+++ Badger ring bottoms mounted and torqued to 65 inch pounds

+++ Bottom half of rings lappd to ensure 100% contact to scope body and no binding

+++ Scope erector body paralled to badger base

+++ Ring caps torqued to 15 inch pounds

+++ Scope center sits 1.9" above bore

+++ Scope mechanicaly centered

+++ Verified scope travel, 518 clicks both windage and elevation. 129.5 MOA of actual internal travel.







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Bottom metal inlet job:


Scope base and bottom rings installed:



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Close up of bolt handle, action, scope mounting and bottom metal:

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Very nice!! I'm not even going to pretend I know what half of that means. Ha! I'm guessing P stands for police????

I've only fired a coupe rifles before, but one of them was a Remington 700, (in .308 I think). I don't think the smile faded from my face for hours.

I liked it a lot.

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Tits.

Total build cost?
I'm afraid to look at the bill.. LOL

Think everything is going to cost around $2k.

Thanks for the work Ponch, can't wait to go shooting with you when I come back.

BTW if I drown in the ocean while on vacation you can keep the rifle. :P I want to try to snorkel lobster hunt in the Pacific at night.
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Any stock work? Freefloating, glassbeding, etc?
I thought the barrel was free floating already in an aluminum bed.
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Any stock work? Freefloating, glassbeding, etc?
Not at this time. As Inu stated the stock has pillar bedding and is free floated from teh chamber forward. The one good thing about the Badger ordance bottom metal is teh fact that it allows you to torque the action down to 65 inch pounds with no fear of warping it. The factory bottom metal holds a torque spech of 45 inch pounds yet many people try and torque it to 65 distorting it and causing issues with the way the action seats in teh stock. I garuntee this rifle to shot sub MOA at 100 yards.

As far as teh $ questions, under $2K for a fully scoped rifle is a great buy. And you have to consider all the parts were bought new. While there are many RIFLES alone that can cost $2K, having a full kit with quality parts for under that price tag is a good way to start. this type of set up will satisfy about 90% of individuals who want to break into long range shooting. It will also meet the demands hunters looking to take a 600 - 800 yard shot at a deer through corn stalks 8ft high.

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Not at this time. As Inu stated the stock has pillar bedding and is free floated from teh chamber forward. The one good thing about the Badger ordance bottom metal is teh fact that it allows you to torque the action down to 65 inch pounds with no fear of warping it. The factory bottom metal holds a torque spech of 45 inch pounds yet many people try and torque it to 65 distorting it and causing issues with the way the action seats in teh stock. I garuntee this rifle to shot sub MOA at 100 yards.

As far as teh $ questions, under $2K for a fully scoped rifle is a great buy. And you have to consider all the parts were bought new. While there are many RIFLES alone that can cost $2K, having a full kit with quality parts for under that price tag is a good way to start. this type of set up will satisfy about 90% of individuals who want to break into long range shooting. It will also meet the demands hunters looking to take a 600 - 800 yard shot at a deer through corn stalks 8ft high.
That's what I was thinking too. I was drooling all over that thing until I realized I couldn't afford it. well maybe I could.

I still didn't pull the trigger on the 7mm mag. ok, so what is the best option for a target, and lr deer gun. The Thompson Center Venture shoots moa @ 100yds in 7mm Rem Mag with a 4.5-14x40 nikon buckmaster - $390 for the gun new after rebate $200 something for the scope.

The gun you just built. - prolly at least a grand more than the above.

or...


an AR15 or AR10 in .308 with a awesome .223 scope(AR15) or the above scope with the 10? cost$? brand reco's?

option E -whatever you recommend?

sorry to mess up this thread I can cut n paste it into mine if needed.

Goal is the most cost effective accurate lr target/hunting gun.
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Inu, I'll take you out to Aurora Sportsman's Club, and I bet we could get you certified on the 600 yard range.

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That's what I was thinking too. I was drooling all over that thing until I realized I couldn't afford it. well maybe I could.

I still didn't pull the trigger on the 7mm mag. ok, so what is the best option for a target, and lr deer gun. The Thompson Center Venture shoots moa @ 100yds in 7mm Rem Mag with a 4.5-14x40 nikon buckmaster - $390 for the gun new after rebate $200 something for the scope.

The gun you just built. - prolly at least a grand more than the above.

or...


an AR15 or AR10 in .308 with a awesome .223 scope(AR15) or the above scope with the 10? cost$? brand reco's?

option E -whatever you recommend?

sorry to mess up this thread I can cut n paste it into mine if needed.

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Inu, I'll take you out to Aurora Sportsman's Club, and I bet we could get you certified on the 600 yard range.
Ho wmany guests are you allowed? I have an AI i need to sight in, can we make this a 3 some? I'll even let you touch it.

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cool, I'll look forward to reading it.

I know little to nothing about AR's so this an ok choice?

oh and option F - put a nikon scope on my 7600 30-06 and buy ammo to get used to hitting things further than 100 yds away. lol

- that's prolly the cheapest option at $250 well other than doing nothing at all
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Ho wmany guests are you allowed? I have an AI i need to sight in, can we make this a 3 some? I'll even let you touch it.
I can bring up to three guests. It's $10 per guest. We'd have instant access to the 100-200-300 yard ranges, but we'd need a range officer to watch you dial in your scope between those three ranges to prove you know how to dial it in before they allow you on the 600.

So if you don't mind jumping through that hoop, we can try and get out there this weekend or the following. I could use some pointers on my "doping".

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cool, I'll look forward to reading it.

I know little to nothing about AR's so this an ok choice?

oh and option F - put a nikon scope on my 7600 30-06 and buy ammo to get used to hitting things further than 100 yds away. lol

- that's prolly the cheapest option at $250 well other than doing nothing at all
Just got back from the gym and my balls are sticking to my thighs so I'm gonna shower. Will still have to answer this later when I have time to devote to writing a real response.

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I can bring up to three guests. It's $10 per guest. We'd have instant access to the 100-200-300 yard ranges, but we'd need a range officer to watch you dial in your scope between those three ranges to prove you know how to dial it in before they allow you on the 600.

So if you don't mind jumping through that hoop, we can try and get out there this weekend or the following. I could use some pointers on my "doping".
I may not pass the test on zeroing at those distances, may not be a good idea for me to come!

Inu is on holiday till teh 12th so the next two weeks may not work for the three of us. Lets definatly get something together though!

As far as doping goes, I usualy just go needle into the arm for the fastest results. Otherwise I just snort whatever it is as that gets the 2nd fastest high. Man, I "crack" me up!!!

What caliber are you shooting, what scope/reticle, what rifle platform and what distances. I could probably come up with something on teh fly for you.

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I'm not sold on using an AR to hunt deer yet, but it would be cool to try. That and some of the gun shop people around here think you should use a .22 to kill deer. Tell them you're used to using a 30-06 and you're looking for a 7mm mag and they're like :O that's way over kill! The deer end up just as dead when it's time to gut and process them and 90% of the time it's only one shot so i don't see the problem.
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Inu, I'll take you out to Aurora Sportsman's Club, and I bet we could get you certified on the 600 yard range.
I'm ready to go! Got ammo and my bipod in. :P Also looking for a range to join! Thinking ISRA or ASC.. Would like one where I would able to bring guests in (that don't have to join if they don't want too). I called ISRA today and I think they said that after one visit my guests would have to join? I'm unsure because my phone sucks.
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I'm ready to go! Got ammo and my bipod in. :P Also looking for a range to join! Thinking ISRA or ASC.. Would like one where I would able to bring guests in (that don't have to join if they don't want too). I called ISRA today and I think they said that after one visit my guests would have to join? I'm unsure because my phone sucks.
ASC members can bring up to 3 guests at one time, and it's $10 for each guest. If your Married, your wife gets in with you at no charge.

It is damn expensive though. When I signed up this year, it was $315 for a year membership, and $315 initiation fee, and $25 application fee. I heard they were having a members meeting in September to discuss changing the fee strategy for next year (especially since the Olympics isn't going to be in Chicago - giving them a crap ton of money), but I missed that meeting due to work and I'm not sure what the final vote was.

I really enjoy shooting at ASC, though their facilities are still not built up yet. The cost, and the fact that the ASC is much like the Chicago Unions - e.g. pale, stale, and male, is a bit of a turn off. A bunch of us younger guys are slowly making changes to make it more than shotgun sports and benchrest shooting. The Zombie Shoot next month is a great example of this.

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Nice thread, i'm thinking about doing a 700 build myself. THinking the 700 sps tactical, adding a nice scope, bi-pod, and possibly changing out the stock.

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Cool, what range are you planning on shooting? 600+ yards? Have you ever shot at that distance?

With some minor tweaks and good ammo, your AR should be able to hit 5-600 yards pretty reliably. A tuned Rem 700 will get you out to 800 or so, is it worth the cost to get that extra 200 yards?

Figure $1,700 for the rifle. $1,500 for the glass. $2-3/round for that distance stuff.

Alternatively, a White Oak barrel, Variable power optic and a nice trigger will get your AR out to 600 for 1/3 the cost and will make those hits with .30/round ammo.

Long distance stuff is very hard and not very practical, just my .

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Most of my shotting will be 100-200 yards, and there will be a few days here and there probably at 600.

Yes, the AR can get to that distance, but wind will become a factor and I want to cut down on that.

I'm fine with spending $2k on the
Cost of Gun $573 (plus fees)
Scope: $700-$1500budget (not sure what I want yet)
I'll reload my ammo for this.

*Note looking to pick this up in 308, but I am also considering it in .223. It really depends on if I plan to hunt with this or not.

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Most of my shotting will be 100-200 yards, and there will be a few days here and there probably at 600.

Yes, the AR can get to that distance, but wind will become a factor and I want to cut down on that.

I'm fine with spending $2k on the
Cost of Gun $573 (plus fees)
Scope: $700-$1500budget (not sure what I want yet)
I'll reload my ammo for this.

*Note looking to pick this up in 308, but I am also considering it in .223. It really depends on if I plan to hunt with this or not.
If you get it in .223, how will this make wind less of a factor?

You're not going to have a viable platform for $573. You'll need another several hundred $$ in upgrades before you have a decent setup. Trigger work, rings, bedding, better barrel, chassis work, etc.

If you're running that rifle stock, you won't need anything nicer than $300 glass.

A stock Rem 700 is a fine rifle, especially for hunting and long distance target shooting but at 100-200 yards, it's just silly if you have a decent AR already.

Quality bolt guns pull ahead of ARs at the 500+ yard range. That's where the extreme accuracy becomes a factor.

Here's a thought, buy the scope you decide upon for the Rem 700, mount it on your AR, take it up to 600 yards without any other mods to your AR, see how it performs, if you need it tighter than that, buy the Rem 700.

I'd be willing to bet that you'll realize you don't need the extra accuracy.

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If you get it in .223, how will this make wind less of a factor?
Obviously I wasn't expecting better results for the .223 with the Remington. I was referring to better results with the .308. I'm just saying i'm also considering the .223 (mostly if I want to keep ammo costs and recoil down)

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You're not going to have a viable platform for $573. You'll need another several hundred $$ in upgrades before you have a decent setup. Trigger work, rings, bedding, better barrel, chassis work, etc.
I disagree. Sniper central did a review and got .381", .362" and .313" groups with a stock setup (and a scope) at 100yards and they indicated some shooter error in the setup.



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Here's a thought, buy the scope you decide upon for the Rem 700, mount it on your AR, take it up to 600 yards without any other mods to your AR, see how it performs, if you need it tighter than that, buy the Rem 700.
That is a very good idea.

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Or build a diffrent caliber upper to share your lower. This will put to the test your assembly skills and the quality of parts you bought

I don't remeber what length barrel and twist you got, so you better make sure the ammo matches the upper or your wasting money trying to group. And don't expect 24"-26" bolt gun groups out of a gasser.
Gas guns take a hell of a driver to make perform, and buddy.... you still got a lot to learn!

As stated, a GOOD scope may be the bestthing to buy 1st.

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