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Sig 250 unreliable

Wow... ATF chose the Glock contract and laid the smackdown on SIG and declared the Sig 250 Unreliable at the first stage of testing, not even allowing it to go into further stages of the evaluation...

I've shot that 250, it shoots and feels like a turd.

SIG did file a protest, and ATF further went into detail and killed it.... Protest Denied.
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Sig's alloy framed stuff is legendary. Their polymer stuff = crap.

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Sig's alloy framed stuff is legendary. Their polymer stuff = crap.
Agreed. Although, they are even getting cheap now with their main line stuff. They actually manufacture at two different plants, one is "civilian" quality, and they have "LE" quality parts.... nice of them eh?
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The Glocks of the past were whittled down pieces of 2 x 4's, or felt that way in my hand. I had a SIG P226 for years and years....wish I never sold it, never had a malfunction with it either, and shot a ton of IPSC matches with it.

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The Glocks of the past were whittled down pieces of 2 x 4's, or felt that way in my hand. I had a SIG P226 for years and years....wish I never sold it, never had a malfunction with it either, and shot a ton of IPSC matches with it.
Big difference between the P226 and the 250.... Again all the guns they call their "Classic Line" are great guns. The 250... is junk.

The two contracts that did get awarded....

http://ir.smith-wesson.com/phoenix.z...110&highlight=

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Bureau of ATF Awards Glock Ten-Year Contract

Smyrna, GA- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has announced that it has awarded GLOCK, Inc. an unrestricted open market competitive firm-fixed Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) multiple-award contract.

The 10-year contract is valued at up to $40 million. The agreement makes available for the first time both the GLOCK 22 Gen4 and GLOCK 27 .40 caliber pistols to all ATF agents. The terms provide additional Federal Agencies the opportunity to ride on the contract in accordance with the Federal Acquisition Regulations.

"GLOCK is proud to have been competitively selected by the ATF for this contract," said GLOCK Vice President Josh Dorsey. "GLOCK was chosen over others due to the new design features of the Gen4 pistol and GLOCK's Safe Action System as well as reliability and durability that have made GLOCK pistols famous. GLOCK's focus remains on providing safe, simple and fast pistols to those that go in harm's way to protect the freedom that we all currently enjoy. Our firearms are designed for these individuals to succeed and survive in any situation and we stand ready to not only meet U.S. Government requirements, but to exceed them."

GLOCK pistols are the first choice among consumers and law enforcement, with 65% of agencies nationwide choosing to carry GLOCK.

About GLOCK, Inc.

GLOCK, Inc. is a leading global manufacturer of pistols and accessories. GLOCK's superior engineering has produced a pistol with only 34 parts and a rugged polymer-frame, providing industry-leading reliability shot after shot. GLOCK is renowned for its pistols which are safe, featuring three safeties; simple, offering a low number of components to provide reliability; and fast, with no encumbering parts to slow the speed to fire. This combination makes GLOCK pistols the first choice among consumers and law enforcement, with 65% of agencies nationwide choosing to carry GLOCK. Austrian-engineered, the company has manufacturing facilities in the United States and Austria. Based in Smyrna, Ga., GLOCK, Inc. is an advocate for our nation's law enforcement and military personnel, as well as all citizens' Second Amendment right to bear arms. For more information, please visit www.teamglock.com.

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Big difference between the P226 and the 250.... Again all the guns they call their "Classic Line" are great guns. The 250... is junk.
I just googled the problems with the 250, WOW

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Yeah SIG has lost their mind, trying to get an Law Enforcement contract, where reliability is paramount.... This is from them...

"Sig Sauer also contends that ATF placed too great an emphasis upon reliability in determining which offers should continue to phase III. In this regard, Sig Sauer argues that reliability was only one of a number of elements to be considered in the live-fire assessment, and notes that reliability was not identified as having any more importance than the other elements.[11] We disagree."
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I just googled the problems with the 250, WOW
I was out at the Sig Academy when they first unveiled this thing and got to play with one of the models while there for training. It was crap then, i said not a chance in hell i'll ever carry that thing... It's held true.

The 250 is going to do to SIG what that external extractor debacle did to Kimber.
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The 250 is going to do to SIG what that external extractor debacle did to Kimber.
That damn external extractor!!! I'm so glad they gave me a whole new Slide.




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That damn external extractor!!! I'm so glad they gave me a whole new Slide.
Yeah i know, they ran mine through the whole custom shop works for free (and the new slide of course).

I mean kimber did right by their customers, but it still killed their rep in the community for a long time. Lot's of guys still bash them. I have 3 of their 1911's and love each of them, never had a hiccup (since the slide was replaced).
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