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Just curious. As we all know a gun used for home defense is only useful if it is loaded and ready to go. Bad guys are not going to wait for you to go to your gun safe to get the gun and then in the closet to get your ammo and take a breather to lead.
This always begs the question, what to do with semi-auto's. How long does it take for a mag spring to go bad from being compressed all the time? Obviously the ideal handgun for this sort of thing is a revolver but with semi-autos being so popular I was wondering. Also going one step further leaving a semi-auto cocked and loaded, would think this has got to jakk up something like the springs in the gun if left for months. Yep, I am bored at work and coming up with strange scenarios.

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It's not the constant compression of a spring that makes it "go bad," but rather the constant cycle of compression & decompression over heavy usage of a magazine. This presumes that you have a good solid spring to start with.

If you still don't believe that, then leave your mag loaded minus a few rounds.
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I am curious to people's opinions on this, but I think you are over thinking it. First, if wear and tear from the scenarios you point out occurs, it is a small price for being ready. Second, you should be going to a range to keep your skills sharp so the gun should not be in an idle position for long to cause such wear and tear.

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Second, you should be going to a range to keep your skills sharp so the gun should not be in an idle position for long to cause such wear and tear.
Regarding that second point, there are differing schools of thought regarding whether different sets of magazines should be used for training vs active duty (for lack of a better term).

Many folks who shoot heavily, both competitively and in other occupations that call for it, will keep training mags separate. Generally speaking, one trains far more often than one actually "needs" to shoot. Going along with my prior post, training mags will wear down quicker under heavy use. Therefore, keep a different set of "tested" fresh magazines only for competition/active duty use.

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do peeps who have guns issued to them for their job have a life on the mags? Say, 6 months, exchange them?

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Regarding that second point, there are differing schools of thought regarding whether different sets of magazines should be used for training vs active duty (for lack of a better term).

Many folks who shoot heavily, both competitively and in other occupations that call for it, will keep training mags separate. Generally speaking, one trains far more often than one actually "needs" to shoot. Going along with my prior post, training mags will wear down quicker under heavy use. Therefore, keep a different set of "tested" fresh magazines only for competition/active duty use.
Good info, my point was aimed mainly at the pistol being "cocked and loaded", but good info.

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do peeps who have guns issued to them for their job have a life on the mags? Say, 6 months, exchange them?
I've never heard of such a thing. It's really takes a LOT of shooting and abuse to wear down a magazine. You're more likely to break a magazine component first before you ever wear out a (good quality) spring from typical use.
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I've never heard of such a thing. It's really takes a LOT of shooting and abuse to wear down a magazine. You're more likely to break a magazine component first before you ever wear out a (good quality) spring from typical use.
This.

Way back in the day, we'd download, count rounds, and then reload each magazine every single guard rotation. (every 48-72 hours for spares) The mags that were actually inserted into duty weapons would be downloaded/reloaded 3-4x a day, depending on whether we were running 6 or 8 hour rotations. That's a shit-ton of cycles. Then we'd take those same mags on training trips, load 'em up, shoot the every lovin' shit out of them, and repeat. They were fine.

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interesting. the fukers do wear out though, no?

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I've often wondered about the springs as well. So with my .40 cal I switch the mag every couple of months. I leave one empty the other full less 1 round. I'm kinda anal retentive but it makes me happy. If it makes you sleep better at night then that's all that matters.

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interesting. the fukers do wear out though, no?
Eventually, yeah. Keep your mags clean and swap out springs once a year and you're good to go.

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ah, new springs once a year. i was lookin for a sop.

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ah, new springs once a year. i was lookin for a sop.
It all depends on your level of use, how you store your mags, etc.

If you've let your mags sit around unloaded for several years, those springs will be fine.

If you've let your mags sit around fully loaded for several years, with minimal use, those springs will most likely still be fine.

I have H&K USP mags that I've put thousands of rounds through, over the course of the past 10 years, and none are showing any need for spring replacement.
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Man, now you all are making me paranoid! I'm just going to load 98 rounds instead of 100!


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jfk!!! is that real? is there video of usage?

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It all depends on your level of use, how you store your mags, etc.

If you've let your mags sit around unloaded for several years, those springs will be fine.

If you've let your mags sit around fully loaded for several years, with minimal use, those springs will most likely still be fine.

I have H&K USP mags that I've put thousands of rounds through, over the course of the past 10 years, and none are showing any need for spring replacement.
I should also add that it's also platform dependent as well. USPs, M9s, Sigs, Glocks, etc aren't particularly mag sensitive, since they're proprietary platforms. You could probably run eleventy brajillion load cycles on them and they'd be fine. 1911s on the other hand can be finicky about their mags and springs.

Once a year is overkill, but for a nightstand gun, overkill is better than underkill. I'm a big fan of replacing parts long before they need to be replaced.

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jfk!!! is that real? is there video of usage?
Yep, that's a Beta C-MAG magazine.

http://www.betaco.com/

Toss "beta c-mag" into YouTube... there's a variety of videos out there.
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I actually just swapped mags yesterday. Habit of nature. A spring is a spring good to uncompress for a bit.

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I leave the mags loaded minus one and shoot them off every month or two when we go out to shoot.
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It's not the constant compression of a spring that makes it "go bad," but rather the constant cycle of compression & decompression over heavy usage of a magazine.
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MAGAZINES... not CLIPS!!!
o jesus.. yes i know the difference.. i just dont care.

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Although my powemag hold 10...I load it with just 9. Im BADASS like that...just ask the Zombie Shoot crowd.
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Although my powemag hold 10...I load it with just 9. Im BADASS like that...just ask the Zombie Shoot crowd.
I had one loaded with 10 and shot it off today. didn't have a failure to load until the 3 from last one.

Those 10shot cmc power mags are usually hit or miss when fully loaded. still look cool though.
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I keep the 357 loaded and my 9mm not to far away with 5 rounds in the clip but not in the gun.

never even considered changing the spring. thanks for the info
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