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Gun buying advice...

Long story short, I'm looking to buy my first gun within the next couple months. I have very limited experience, roughly 4-5 hours shooting time, and most of that time was with a USP compact and a Sig P220 (I think). Both in 9mm, which is what I'm looking to purchase.

From what I heard and read H&K and Sigs are great and reliable guns, plus I like how they look. Based on that, my plan now is to call a few shops and shooting places around Chicago and "test fit" a gun. I'm mainly looking at a H&K P30 or P30L because I held it once and liked it, plus I love how it looks. Past that, I like the Sig 226 and 229. Again, I do plan to check each out at a shop, and hopefully rent it at a shooting range before purchasing, but I'd like any input on the P30(L) or the Sigs based on experience. Are they as reliable as everyone says, anyone here own either, etc.?

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Yes, you cannot go wrong with Sigs or H&Ks. They have their quirks which some folks love or hate, but all in all, they're solid. What is your budget? You will pay more of a premium for those two brands, particularly H&K. But don't let that dissuade you if that's what you're interested in. The H&K USP Compact 9mm was my very first gun.

Drop into a local shop or two and browse. See what fits your hand well and what feels right to you when you point/aim it. See if the various controls are within reach for your type/size of hand.
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Illinois gunworks rents and so does mega sports. I do not know what they have available but try there.

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Yes, you cannot go wrong with Sigs or H&Ks. They have their quirks which some folks love or hate, but all in all, they're solid. What is your budget? You will pay more of a premium for those two brands, particularly H&K. But don't let that dissuade you if that's what you're interested in. The H&K USP Compact 9mm was my very first gun.

Drop into a local shop or two and browse. See what fits your hand well and what feels right to you when you point/aim it. See if the various controls are within reach for your type/size of hand.
What kind of quirks? I always based my budget on the USP or P30L so $1000 max is what I'm looking to spend.

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There are a lot of personal preference sorts of things, that won't necessarily matter to you since you don't really know any better/don't have any preferences or biases yet.

Things like trigger pull, use of a decocker, type of action (DA/SA vs SA vs DAO, etc.), ambi-mag release on the H&K, all metal vs metal & polymer of the some Sigs & H&K respectively.

$1,000 is more than enough of a starting budget to get yourself a very nice handgun.

Follow Paladin's advice and go to a shop where you can rent firearms. Do you have other friends that shoot, who can take you to the range and let you try their own firearms?
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There are a lot of personal preference sorts of things, that won't necessarily matter to you since you don't really know any better/don't have any preferences or biases yet.

Things like trigger pull, use of a decocker, type of action (DA/SA vs SA vs DAO, etc.), ambi-mag release on the H&K, all metal vs metal & polymer of the some Sigs & H&K respectively.

$1,000 is more than enough of a starting budget to get yourself a very nice handgun.

Follow Paladin's advice and go to a shop where you can rent firearms. Do you have other friends that shoot, who can take you to the range and let you try their own firearms?
Gotcha. From what I read up on the DA/SA, etc. I would probably prefer DA/SA over SA or DAO, but as you said, not enough experience to say for sure.

Other than the guy whose USP Compact I shot I don't have friends that shoot. I have a few that are interested but no one with experience, let alone a gun.

I'll definitely look into Illinois Gun Works as it's fairly close to me anyway. Thanks.

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It is not specifically stated, you do have a FOID card correct?

As stated, go with what fits your hands.
Yea forgot to mention, I do have a FOID card.

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As stated, either of those brands are fantastic but don't dismiss Glock either.

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As stated, either of those brands are fantastic but don't dismiss Glock either.
Plus one on the Glock. Not a very pretty gun, but very popular, plenty of accessories and parts at reasonable cost. If it would have felt better in my hand and it was prettier, that is the route I would have went.

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As a shameless plug I have a NIB German HK45 with all factory accessories for $925 and a used in good condition full size 9 mm USP with 3 15 round mags for $460.

I would agree with SmartDrug, look at the Glocks as well. I shot one for the first time a few months ago and was hooked on the trigger reset. It wasn't or I wasn't as accurate with the Glock G21SF RTF as I am with the HK45's. My approximately 30 round groups with the HK45 were about 3 inches (stopping laughing) at 25' and my groups with the Glock were roughly double (again, stop laughing). My buddy who was with me that day is a LEO and he shot the HK45 much better than he did his duty G21SF RTF. This is very subjective so YMMV.

It seems as of late the US made Sigs, both pistols and rifles, have become known for QC issues. This is just internet BS so take it for what it's worth. The Sig forums are generally buzzing about it. Look for an early German Sig 226, IMHO. I had a very early Sig SWAT 556 with the Swiss bolt group and it was flawless...
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get a springfield armory 40 cal....$550 brand new with 2 mags, holster, carrying case and some other shit...a sig 226 will cost you 850+...and since you're new to firearms, whats the point of having a roles royce handgun when you're going to beat on it, learn on it and hopefully, put hundreds of rounds through it...

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a sig 226 will cost you 850+...and since you're new to firearms, whats the point of having a roles royce handgun when you're going to beat on it, learn on it and hopefully, put hundreds of rounds through it...
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There's nothing wrong with your first firearm being a good quality shooter. Guns don't depreciate in the same manner as an automobile, and it's far easier to keep a stable of guns vs a stable of cars, as the years progress.

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There's nothing wrong with your first firearm being a good quality shooter. Guns don't depreciate in the same manner as an automobile, and it's far easier to keep a stable of guns vs a stable of cars, as the years progress.



Care to explain why you don't care for Maxon's?
eh...been there a number of times...range is dog shit on top of being ovr priced ($20..and they boot you out exactly when your hour is up,) staff isnt very friendly/knowledgable 9or at least the individuals i have shot the shit with) and their prices are marked up...not as bad as gats...but bad enough to bitch...and foget about buying any caliber of ammo there...bucks!

and yes...i meant to say thousands of rounds. a police glock or sig isnt considered broken in until there are about 1-2k rounds through em.

i chose springfield armory for him for the price and quality...lightweight, accurate, and decent make...but if you want to spend the dough, yea id say get a sig for sure. easy to break down, as refined as any handgun and reliable and depndable as they come.

what about revolvers? ever check out a 357 or 44? tons of fun to shoot...lots of people overlook the classic revolvers..which is a mistake. id take my s and w .357 686 over any semi auto any day...

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Illinois gunworks rents and so does mega sports. I do not know what they have available but try there.
ill have to check those places out. always down to scope out different spots.
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Try before you buy.


Spend $500 on the gun, (Glock, M&P, XD, CZ, etc; plenty of quality stuff at that price point) and the other $500 on ammo and range time.

Sigs and HKs are reliable, but so are the above listed at a better price point, leaving you more cash to do what's really important - TRAIN

As far as other stuff - all other things being equal, a newbie shooter will shoot better with a consistent trigger, e.g. single action or "safe action." (Glock, M&P, XD) Double action or traditional DA/SA (HK, Sig, Beretta) will take more practice to master.

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Spend $500 on the gun, (Glock, M&P, XD, CZ, etc; plenty of quality stuff at that price point) and the other $500 on ammo and range time.

Sigs and HKs are reliable, but so are the above listed at a better price point, leaving you more cash to do what's really important - TRAIN

As far as other stuff - all other things being equal, a newbie shooter will shoot better with a consistent trigger, e.g. single action or "safe action." (Glock, M&P, XD) Double action or traditional DA/SA (HK, Sig, Beretta) will take more practice to master.
I've made up my mind on buying a H&K or Sig pistol for $800-900 as it won't really matter later... I'll still keep it regardless of what I purchase after it.

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all the mentioned Euro pistols are good, but I'd still stick with a 1911

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Small update... went to Illinois Gun Works a couple weeks back and shot a Glock 17 9mm and a Beretta 92fs. I didn't like the feel of the Beretta at all, and the looks weren't what I'm after. The Glock looked good and shot pretty well but I was bothered a bit with that handle angle. I shot pretty good with it up to 30-35 yards (pretty good meaning most hit within 4-5" of where I was aiming) but I'm really looking forward to trying out the P30 soon. They didn't have it in stock when I went.

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Good, glad to hear that you got out & was able to rent some firearms. Try hitting a different range to see what they may have available for rent?
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Good, glad to hear that you got out & was able to rent some firearms. Try hitting a different range to see what they may have available for rent?
Yea I'll be calling Maxons and a couple other places later this week to see if they have the P30/L to shoot, but I'm not too enthusiastic about it since it seems many rent sigs, berettas, s&w or similar. Illinois Gun Works has the P30 for sale back in stock so I just wanted to go and see how it feels in my hand. Maybe I'll try talking them into letting me shoot it but doubt they'll go for it...

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Yea I'll be calling Maxons and a couple other places later this week to see if they have the P30/L to shoot, but I'm not too enthusiastic about it since it seems many rent sigs, berettas, s&w or similar. Illinois Gun Works has the P30 for sale back in stock so I just wanted to go and see how it feels in my hand. Maybe I'll try talking them into letting me shoot it but doubt they'll go for it...
If it is new, nope, but if used they might. Check out the place in Lyons, they have a pretty large selection of pistols for rent.

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Also, post on here to see if anyone has the P30. We have alot of high rollers here so there is a good chance you might get lucky. Offer up to pay for range fee and buy them lunch and you'll be set.

I really liked the P30, but could not justify spending the $200 over the XDm which I liked almost as much, so good luck.

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