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New Kobra Carry: range report

Here are pics after a night of shooting...and some cleaning..
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I may be spoiled by the PERFECT performance of my Springfield TRP, but the Kobra Carry is not what I would expect from a $2500 dollar pistol.

I picked this 1911 up from my buddies dad that's getting rid of some guns for financial reasons. Overall, I would say that the fit and finish of this pistol is just amazing. The attention to detail seems just as I'd expect from a pistol over 2000 dollars. However, after the trip to the range, I'd say that I would definitely not trust my life with this gun.

I ran through a 100 box of WWB, and I've experienced: 6 failure to feeds and 3 failure to ejects.

This is an older model Kobra Carry but it's brand new and never been shot until last night. I understand that there could be a break in period of 500 rounds or so, but coming from my TRP, I believe that a pistol that is almost double of what I paid for the TRP should be even MORE reliable!

I've tested with different magazines that are proven reliable with my TRP so, I can rule that out. I'm thinking that the extractor needs some tweaking, and maybe change out the recoil spring.

I've emailed Ed Brown so I'll just have to wait for his response, I'm sure the costumer service will fix this problem, it's just a pain for me to go through this on such an expensive piece.

Maybe I'll stick to 5" models. Any trades (other 1911's) or offers?
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I know exactly how frusrating that kind of performance can be. Kimber made good on mine, im sure brown will take care of yours.

And btw, that thing is gorgeous!




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Woah. Nice.

EDIT: Was too busy looking at those pics to read report until now. That sucks and I feel your pain but you're gonna need that 500+ rounds to break her in, whether or not she's a $2,500 pistol. It sucks that things are wonky now and she may be in need of some additional tuning but before you've put the necessary rounds downpipe, things will be tighter than they should and quite possibly not functioning how they're supposed to be. Ed is gonna tell you the same thing, pop some rounds off, get to know the piece and how she handles, if you're still having issues after 500 rounds then definitely get things looked at. On the upside, that's an amazingly attractive pistol, even if it does have some of the problems that come along with a 99 year old design.

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Wow, that's gorgeous!!!

+1 to what SD already stated. My only additional question is how does the fit between the slide ramp and barrel look?
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Beautifull piece there, seems like a minor issue as you pointed out. Ed Brown would take care of this.
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I've been real busy with other things so sorry for the update.

I just got around to checking the extractor tension, and that thing was TIGHT! It was real tough for me to hand feed a bullet (and empty) onto the center of the breachface. I adjusted the tension (with the help of Bill Wilsons tuning tips), but have not had a chance to hit the range yet.

I'll keep you all posted!

Another thing to note, I noticed that the tip of the extractor is ever so slightly touching the notch in the brass, should I give it a bit of a file down?
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I've been real busy with other things so sorry for the update.

I just got around to checking the extractor tension, and that thing was TIGHT! It was real tough for me to hand feed a bullet (and empty) onto the center of the breachface. I adjusted the tension (with the help of Bill Wilsons tuning tips), but have not had a chance to hit the range yet.

I'll keep you all posted!

Another thing to note, I noticed that the tip of the extractor is ever so slightly touching the notch in the brass, should I give it a bit of a file down?
Range-test it first before you make a permanent modification to your extractor.
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Range-test it first before you make a permanent modification to your extractor.
First 100 rounds may not be a full "break in", but I think that's a good test.

Is it ever a permanent mod to an extractor when adjusting tension?
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Maybe I'll stick to 5" models. Any trades (other 1911's) or offers?
*cough* (after you get it fixed of course )


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It was real tough for me to hand feed a bullet (and empty) onto the center of the breachface. I adjusted the tension (with the help of Bill Wilsons tuning tips), but have not had a chance to hit the range yet.

I'll keep you all posted!

Another thing to note, I noticed that the tip of the extractor is ever so slightly touching the notch in the brass, should I give it a bit of a file down?
Don't file anything. Chances are that if you bent the extractor too far when you put more "tension" on it you through things out of wack.

Also, how are you loading the emptey into the breach face? If done wrong you may think it's tight and it actualy isnt.

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You stated in your opening post that you had 6 failure to feeds and 3 failures to eject.

Neither of these two things are extractor related!!!

1) Failure to feed is caused when:
a) The slide is not allowed to go completly rearward in order to strip a new cartridge off the magazine.
b) The new round is not clearing the ramp on the barrel to enter the chamber.
c) the feed lips on the magazine are to wide causing the round to not enterr the ramp at the proper angle in order to chamber properly.

Failure to EJECT is caused when the EJECTOR is damaged or too short.

If the empty case is being withdrawn from the chamber then you have NO EXTRACTOR issues!

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Failure to feed means anything that causes failure to insert a round into the chamber and into battery?

More specifically, I've had at times where the first round would be stuck on it's way up the ramp in weird positions.

I should have stated in my first post that along with failing to ejects, I've been getting pelted in the face numurous times, erratic ejection.

I followed Bill Wilsons instruction of how to tune an extractor, I'll post the link when I can.

I know the trp isn't the same as my ed brown, but comparing the tension of the two (putting a case up through the bottom simulating a magazine), in the brown, I had to almost force it up the breachface to align the primer with the firing pin hole.

Now, I am no gunsmith, but just by thinking about that tension being pretty tight, wouldn't it be right to assume that the tight extractor is keeping the bullet from it's upward travel while being stripped from the magazine?
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Also, when I "bent" the extractor, I bent it opposite the direction of the bullet. It doesn't make sense that I made it closer to the bullet, does it?
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I have read this (ftf, fte) to be a common problem till after you get all the break in rounds through the gun. I had the same things happen to me with my Dan Wesson, got to love brass flying at your forehead.

I wanted that gun so bad, I ended up buying the Dan Wesson due to my budget.

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Failure to feed means anything that causes failure to insert a round into the chamber and into battery?
Correct. BUT there is always a root cause such as a bad magazine or worn or bad recoil spring etc...

FTF (failure to feed) is a very generic term.


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More specifically, I've had at times where the first round would be stuck on it's way up the ramp in weird positions.
Can you manualy duplicate them and post pics?


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I should have stated in my first post that along with failing to ejects, I've been getting pelted in the face numurous times, erratic ejection..
Ejection is rather tricky but should be consistant. The length of the ejector and flare of teh ejection port are key. Though the recoil spring and ammo used play a role as well. The speed of the slide c

I followed Bill Wilsons instruction of how to tune an extractor, I'll post the link when I can.

I know the trp isn't the same as my ed brown, but comparing the tension of the two (putting a case up through the bottom simulating a magazine), in the brown, I had to almost force it up the breachface to align the primer with the firing pin hole.

Now, I am no gunsmith, but just by thinking about that tension being pretty tight, wouldn't it be right to assume that the tight extractor is keeping the bullet from it's upward travel while being stripped from the magazine?[/QUOTE]



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I understand that FTF's can be caused by several different things. I found out the extractor was tight so that's where I wanted to start.

I duplicated the problem at home with snap caps, but this was before I tuned the extractor, so wasn't able to post pics. Now, manually cycling rounds was smooth as silk and ejected all rounds in the exact same spot.




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You stated in your opening post that you had 6 failure to feeds and 3 failures to eject.

Neither of these two things are extractor related!!!

I just got back from the range and ran through a box of WWB's with ZERO FTE's or FTF's. I did nothing different, pointed and shot. No extra lubing between magazines etc. Tried "limp wristing" and still perfect.

Since I only "bent" the extractor and changed nothing else, it's either you're completely wrong, or I'm just lucky.

Maybe you should be "Weapons Guru minus 1911's"

I kid.

Bottom line, I can't say this pistol is proven reliable just yet, maybe after another flawless 500 rounds down range.

Still a little upset that I had to make some adjustments with such an expensive piece, but I think I have it right where it should be without sending it in.

For now, I'm a happy camper.
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Crazier things have happened. 1911 are still in my resume,
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Sure. I'd like to dive into an at home 1st build. May start with a SA mil spec or caspian frame/slide.
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...I obviously got bit by the smiff'n bug when I tuned the extractor
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I may consider a nice 12 gauge O/U though..
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