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Taurus 24/7 PRO 45ACP SS - any thoughts?

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/19897

looks just a too good price for a compact 45...

gun gurus, what can you tell about this gun?
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You're getting what you pay for... a budget gun. I wouldn't resort to it for anything more than a throwaway plinker.
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well, I am only familiar with Taurus pt92, and it's a solid gun, also heard good things aout their 1911 gun, I guess this one is not at good..

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BTW, what about their PT145 Millenium? also crap?
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I'll be the first to say I'm biased, but I still fondly recall a friend's quote from when he worked at a gun shop.

"Do we carry Taurus's? Sure we do... out to the trash!"
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well, I am only familiar with Taurus pt92, and it's a solid gun, also heard good things aout their 1911 gun, I guess this one is not at good..

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BTW, what about their PT145 Millenium? also crap?

PT92= Based on 92FS, designed by Beretta- Decent gun

PT1911= Based on M1911, designed by JMB- Decent gun

Taurus 24/7 and PT145= New design by Taurus- Pretty crummy pistols


Long and short here, Taurus makes a decent knock off, and I would trust either the PT92/PT1911 but not one of their original products.

What are you planning on doing with this pistol?

If it's a plinker, Taurus is fine but .45ACP probably isn't a good idea.

If it's a defense piece, .45ACP is fine but Taurus probably isn't a good idea.

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and I havent had any problems with mine since day 1
I guess the chinese are good at something.
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ya but you have the berretta knock off, thats actually a decent gun as the molds came from berretta. the rest are junk.




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Glocks are ugly as fuck, but I'd rather have one of those than a Taurus.
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OK, I gut the vibe here, thanks for input. I am curious that PT145, it got lots of good feedback on gun forums and I was not able to find anything bad. 24/7 did get mixed reviews, mostly about it's sights.

I was looking at PT145 as a possible carry item - to replace my Bersa thunder 380.

I am not into brand names, I value performance and reliability over flashy designs and decorative details, and I am used to ugly guns, except glocks, can not get over that ugliness
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take my statement about PT145 back - looks like early models did have some issues
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In the firearm world, more often than not, brand is a good indicator of subsequent performance and reliability. As you learn more, you'll see the same names repeatedly rise to the top. And more often than not, "you get what you pay for" also holds true.
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In the firearm world, more often than not, brand is a good indicator of subsequent performance and reliability. As you learn more, you'll see the same names repeatedly rise to the top. And more often than not, "you get what you pay for" also holds true.
I spent 3 years in military, learned my share of weapons, and I noticed that here in US, "bigger is better and expensive is better" attitude is present in some fields more than in the others, hobbies, like guns and bikes and cars and other money pits are reflecting these attitudes a lot.

As I said, I've seen cheap Galil rifles outperform many famous brands, like FN for example, not even mentioning M16A2 being able to be used as tent poles only while Galils were never having issues. I have seen cheap CZ pistols outperform many fancy brands in dusty and sandy conditions. Also, many thousands of people were killed with cheap crude guns made in Eastern Europe without any problems. and more than half of the world armed people are walking around with cheap and crude AKs made in China, Romania and Yugoslavia.

I know my share of weapons, but not familiar with US and South American brands, and have my budget limitation.

I am pretty sure, that if you are not looking at quality of machining and finish, and flashy materials, you can find a reliable and dependable shooters at a fraction of the cost of Colt, Kimber and alikes
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I spent 3 years in military, learned my share of weapons, and I noticed that here in US, "bigger is better and expensive is better" attitude is present in some fields more than in the others, hobbies, like guns and bikes and cars and other money pits are reflecting these attitudes a lot.

As I said, I've seen cheap Galil rifles outperform many famous brands, like FN for example, not even mentioning M16A2 being able to be used as tent poles only while Galils were never having issues. I have seen cheap CZ pistols outperform many fancy brands in dusty and sandy conditions. Also, many thousands of people were killed with cheap crude guns made in Eastern Europe without any problems. and more than half of the world armed people are walking around with cheap and crude AKs made in China, Romania and Yugoslavia.
This is true - the AK is a perfect example of this. But again, I was making a generalization which is "more often than not..." but not "always."

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I know my share of weapons, but not familiar with US and South American brands, and have my budget limitation.
Hope you didn't take my prior comment as being rude - was just making a more general observation. I have no idea what your background is.

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I am pretty sure, that if you are not looking at quality of machining and finish, and flashy materials, you can find a reliable and dependable shooters at a fraction of the cost of Colt, Kimber and alikes
Yes, they're called Glocks.
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Hope you didn't take my prior comment as being rude - was just making a more general observation. I have no idea what your background is.



Yes, they're called Glocks.

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and I can't get over the ugliness of glocks, their straight up ejection and the trigger safety - makes it feel weird for me.

but as of reliability, they are as good as it gets!
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Can't really compare field performance of a rifle to a carry weapon. You're not going to be in sustained firefights or go hours of crawling in the muck with your carry piece so the Galil>FN doesn't really work here. TEOTWAWKI I'll take an AK over an AR15 but for the world we're in now, which is a better platform? Same principle.

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Can't really compare field performance of a rifle to a carry weapon. You're not going to be in sustained firefights or go hours of crawling in the muck with your carry piece so the Galil>FN doesn't really work here. TEOTWAWKI I'll take an AK over an AR15 but for the world we're in now, which is a better platform? Same principle.

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I agree about rifle and pistol having different lifes, that was just an illustration of a line of thought, but does quality have to come at a high price, or are there underdogs that provide better bang for a buck value? you mentioned PT92, PT1911, let me continue with CZ75 or CZ82/83 platforms - aren't they solid guns? not as refined in finish, even though CZ is getting there already, but dead reliable - we used CZ75 when I was working security in Israel after army, that gun was a great shooter! and on the budget!

I own 2 underdog guns right now, my Hungarian FEG Browing HP licensed knock off did give me some issues initially being picky on ammo, but now I sorted it out, and many $1K guns are picky on ammo as well from what I saw on forums, like not liking WWB and not liking certain shapes, or some guns are tolerant to limp-wristing and some are unforgiving.

my Bersa Thunder 380 has about 700 rounds through it in less than 6 months with only 1 light strike, I think it's a good record. the only reason I want to upgrade it, has nothing to do with it being unreliable, it's just due to my bedside biometric box dimensions, my FEG being SA pistol doesn't fit there with cocked hammer - short by literally 2 mm and I keep my Bersa there as it's smaller and DAO action and ready to go. however being .380 it's not the best home defense weapon
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I agree about rifle and pistol having different lifes, that was just an illustration of a line of thought, but does quality have to come at a high price, or are there underdogs that provide better bang for a buck value? you mentioned PT92, PT1911, let me continue with CZ75 or CZ82/83 platforms - aren't they solid guns? not as refined in finish, even though CZ is getting there already, but dead reliable - we used CZ75 when I was working security in Israel after army, that gun was a great shooter! and on the budget!

I own 2 underdog guns right now, my Hungarian FEG Browing HP licensed knock off did give me some issues initially being picky on ammo, but now I sorted it out, and many $1K guns are picky on ammo as well from what I saw on forums, like not liking WWB and not liking certain shapes, or some guns are tolerant to limp-wristing and some are unforgiving.

my Bersa Thunder 380 has about 700 rounds through it in less than 6 months with only 1 light strike, I think it's a good record. the only reason I want to upgrade it, has nothing to do with it being unreliable, it's just due to my bedside biometric box dimensions, my FEG being SA pistol doesn't fit there with cocked hammer - short by literally 2 mm and I keep my Bersa there as it's smaller and DAO action and ready to go. however being .380 it's not the best home defense weapon
You are on crack.........again. The 380 will do fine for home defense , you will be able to take down any democrat busting in. I dont care who you think is coming in , but when you discharge a few rounds , they'll be concerned about getting shot. My .

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does quality have to come at a high price, or are there underdogs that provide better bang for a buck value?
I find that the Springfield Armory's XD series is an excellent compromise line of firearms. While I've been touting Glock, I actually hate 'em myself as I cannot stand the grip angle (yet I own two). SA's XD line is priced very similarly.

Also have you considered looking into used police-issued handguns? You can often find a perfectly good Beretta, Glock, S&W, or Sig that way.

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You are on crack.........again. The 380 will do fine for home defense , you will be able to take down any democrat busting in. I dont care who you think is coming in , but when you discharge a few rounds , they'll be concerned about getting shot. My .
While it's true that the gun in your hand, is better than none at all, the ballistics of a .380 vs a 9mm or larger caliber simply do not coincide. But I really don't want to open up the Pandora's box of which caliber is best, so I'll just have to agree to disagree with you on that.
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You are on crack.........again. The 380 will do fine for home defense , you will be able to take down any democrat busting in. I dont care who you think is coming in , but when you discharge a few rounds , they'll be concerned about getting shot. My .
I will take .380 as a good carry caliber on premonition that it will stop most anybody with a few well placed shots, but for home defense, I think something a bit more kinetic will stop some dude on meth that can't feel pain better. .380 might kill him, but he might not yet be aware of it and carry enough thrust. and discharging FEW rounds is not a good idea in the house with family around
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I find that the Springfield Armory's XD series is an excellent compromise line of firearms. While I've been touting Glock, I actually hate 'em myself as I cannot stand the grip angle (yet I own two). SA's XD line is priced very similarly.
I tried XD and recently XDm - they don't feel right to me, it feels they are front heavy and unbalanced, but from what I hear - very good utilitarian gun
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You are on crack.........again. The 380 will do fine for home defense , you will be able to take down any democrat busting in. I dont care who you think is coming in , but when you discharge a few rounds , they'll be concerned about getting shot. My .
you are on crack, just the other day I mentioned to you that I want to upgrade it and you said it was long overdue and you don't even know why I got it (you reccommended it to me BTW)
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