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What kind of shotgun?

I am wanting to buy a shot gun. I want to be able to shoot Skeet and do some bird hunting. I've never owned a shot gun before just hand guns. What kind do you guys think would be best.

I want something versatile, not too purpose built.




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Ahh yes the age old question. Preferably I would like to stay under $500.00 but thats just a guess I hav'nt priced any out yet so I may be low balling.




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Go to Barnes and Noble and pick up the periodical--Shotgun News

They have all sorts of info and for sale section. Start cheap(er) and get a nice 12 guage magnum (versatility) . They are at Sports authority, wal-mart, anywhere! (if you have a foid)

I like remington 700(pump) myself for hunting bird.

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Go to Barnes and Noble and pick up the periodical--Shotgun News


I was planning on going there tonight anyways. One more thing to pick up now.




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remmington 700 is pretty cheap and an all around good shotgun.



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How much do they usually go for?




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under 500, Kruz has one, its nice it shoots good once your use to it, the one thing i dont like it doesnt have a rear site, only a front beed site, which to me is OK but once you get use to lining it up, your not bad off at all.



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Don't rule out an over/under. Beautiful and light weight. But they can get expensive fast.
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Don't rule out an over/under. Beautiful and light weight. But they can get expensive fast.
Ya I'm not looking to go expensive. A good pump action that is relabile and versatile is fine with me.




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under 500, Kruz has one, its nice it shoots good once your use to it, the one thing i dont like it doesnt have a rear site, only a front beed site, which to me is OK but once you get use to lining it up, your not bad off at all.
That's a matter of opinion.....I personally get distracted with the rear sight and the big ring sights like Ken has. No offense Ken. To me it's so much quicker to line up that single bead and annialate those clays.

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i did , and i like my ghost sites.

front and rear sites= more accurate target hits "period"
dummo proof even.

like anything have the right tools, and know how to use them is all, and no offense bro.



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Tony,


The 870, is by far the best all around shot gun, period. The 870 is one of the most versatile shotguns around. Parts are plentliful, ie, barrels, choke tubes, etc. They are pratically indestructialbe, ie why do you think, they have been used by Coast Guard, Armed Forces and police departments. You can get one for any application, skeet, sporting clays, bird hunting, turkey hunting, deer hunting, home defense, then even have a stainless steel one more marine use. They are in-expensive and you can get them anywhere, and the 870 platform is availabe in many gauges, 12 be the most popular (if you find a 410 pump, it's mine!) you can accesorize them beyond belief.


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Actually I was just looking at the 870 on remingtons website. Looks very nice.




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i did , and i like my ghost sites.

front and rear sites= more accurate target hits "period"
dummo proof even.

like anything have the right tools, and know how to use them is all, and no offense bro.
What's with the misunderstandings lately. LOL What I should have said: Tony should try both....he might like one better than the other...there's no right or wrong answer

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are you going on Mike's bird hunt? You can borrow mine if you like, I'm using my O/U. I think Ken will be using that cannon, he think's is a shotgun, if he was a real man, he would us this cute little 20 gauge single shot I bought at a garage sale for $5.

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What's with the misunderstandings lately. LOL What I should have said: Tony should try both....he might like one better than the other...there's no right or wrong answer
Shit I dont need a site. Especially since I put the gun over my shoulder and shoot backwards




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Shit I dont need a site. Especially since I put the gun over my shoulder and shoot backwards

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are you going on Mike's bird hunt? You can borrow mine if you like, I'm using my O/U. I think Ken will be using that cannon, he think's is a shotgun, if he was a real man, he would us this cute little 20 gauge single shot I bought at a garage sale for $5.

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I have an 870 Express Magnum Synthetic 12g. 870s are one of the most reliable models made. Lots of PDs use them as Rick mentioned. Mine is obviously pump action, holds 6 I think, no sights, smooth 18" barrel,(no frills home defense gun). COst me about $200-225 at Mega. Ken is right about the sights...if you can get the target in the rings its toast. No sights requires a lot more feel and swing.

You can get a hunting/trap 870 for your price range no problem. Just go to Mega and try them on for size.

Over/Unders? Can't touch anything for under $700 new and even then you aren't even close to Beretta or Browning which start several hundred dollars higher. Then if you want a competition grade weapon you are talking $2000 to $5000.
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Hi Tony:

Don't get a pump action for skeet. It makes doubles tough. Go with an over-under or semi auto. Frankly with the quality of available semi autos I don't know why anyone would want a pump, except for price. Skeet is pretty specialized if you take it seriously. Most shoot over under with 28" barrels. There are a growing number of semi auto shooters. For a semi auto at a reasonable price I like the Benelli. My wife bought it as a "starter" gun. It's recoil operated not gas. It cycles very quick and shoots soft. I've never had it jam, even in sub zero temps. It also comes with multiple chokes so you can easily adjust from close in skeet work to longer shots for hunting. Give me a call if you want to shoot it. The only rub is that I'm not going down South to do it. You will need to come up to my club. It's just shy of WI, so it's going to take you an hour+. I prefer my Browning Lightning with 30" barrels. That way I can use the same gun for Skeet, Trap and Sporting Clays.

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Now see the only reason I was leaning twords the pump is becasue I dont have to worry about jamming issues with the semi auto.










Not to mentio it makes that really cool pump sound




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Tony,

Bruce is right, a pump will make shooting skeet tough, but once you have the hang of it, your un-stopable. Now if you want tough, try skeet with a 410 pump I have actually had a perfect 25 with a 410


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I have an older 12 ga. Remy 1100 which is a semi-auto. Never had a jam, smooth as silk. Used it for everything from clay to birds to deer. Don't worry about losing the cool sound. When you pull the breech on the auto, it sounds cool as hell. I chased a guy away from my door once with that sound alone.

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I have an older 12 ga. Remy 1100 which is a semi-auto. Never had a jam, smooth as silk. Used it for everything from clay to birds to deer. Don't worry about losing the cool sound. When you pull the breech on the auto, it sounds cool as hell. I chased a guy away from my door once with that sound alone.

I will definatly be looking into both. I do like the Semi for its rapid fire availability. As long as they are relaible that would be great.




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ugh, the conceptions around here.

a AUTO shotgun no matter what is a % unreliable, there for you can NOT count on it all the time= OH SHIT i might be dead if i ever use it to self defend!

a pump will never fail to feed all of a sudden!


now i am NOT starting a fight in here, but i DO know what i am talking about.

also too no problems brian, i am breathing to much gun smoke latley...hahahaha


also too 870 is a NICE peice too.

stopping power/ volicity is what you want in a shotgun, 12 gauge baby.

20 is nice for repeated use, but so is a 12 just depends how much pain you enjoy.


also too guys sorry i cant make the bird hunt , found out i will already be hunting russian wild bore on that date.

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also too no problems brian, i am breathing to much gun smoke latley...hahahaha


No worries ...It's hard to come across right on this one over the net.

Let's try this one more time. I guess I'm from a different school. My input is coming from the hardcore, backwoods, hillbilly hunters. I've grown up watching these guys hunt and I can't say I've ever seen them use a ring. Not that it's not ok for anybody else. Some people like them...it seems pretty popular in the tactical crowd. Personally, it distracts me. The back sights distract me as well and to me they waste time lining up when time is of the essence. IMO the better clay shooters and hunters have a better feel for the gun and use instinct more than lining up a front and back sight, although I'm certainly not the only opinion on the issue. Then again I never had sights on my bow either. I always used instinctive shooting methods with the bow. The single bead to me is less distracting. I'm not saying anyone else is wrong or doesn't know what they are talking about. But there are other opinions out there and you gotta do what's best for you.

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then try this next time homie, you go skeet shooting, load slugs and see how ya do

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then try this next time homie, you go skeet shooting, load slugs and see how ya do

trust me youll be lining something up to hit the tatget

It's a shot gun bro it spreads...you don't need to hit a clay with a slugg

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so then you agree sites on anything will make pin point target (of any kind) more accurate and reliabile to hit.





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