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looking for a tactical holster

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Bulld...h-All+Products

came across this...anyone have any experience with bulldogs? as im sure most of you know, this style can be pricey. so i am looking for something basic and affordable.

any thought or recomendations?
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I'm a fan of the Serpa holsters. They make a nice "tactical" thigh holster setup. It's not going to be cheap, but IMHO, proper storage/protection/carry shouldn't be skimped on.

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Unless you're actually involved in LEO, military, professional security work, etc., a drop-leg holster is not for you. While one might not think so, they actually require a different degree of skillset to make use of. Additionally, you cannot use them in any sort of competition (USPSA or IDPA). So unless you're a professional, and I know you're not (don't mean to offend when I state that), take a pass on the drop-leg holster and stick with a good quality belt holster.
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^Agreed, we only use them when we are required to wear our bulkier tac vests.

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serpas are nice for sure...i dont have much experience with safarilands though

no, military and law enforcement are not my profession...but yes, im looking for a thigh holstr.
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If I thought I'd use it, I'd get the Serpa. The Safariland is supposed to be pretty bad assed as well, though I've never used one.

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im going to give it a shot. for 25 bucks, ill consider it a brand test and try it out. itll be perfect for my job...top flight security...of the world.
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serpas are nice for sure...i dont have much experience with safarilands though

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im going to give it a shot. for 25 bucks, ill consider it a brand test and try it out. itll be perfect for my job...top flight security...of the world.
Alright, what is your intended use? Seriously?

Do you intend to be able to quick draw with the Bulldog rig? If so, good luck - it has a buckle that must first be undone. And given that it's a nylon holster, it has no inheritent retention system if you forego the buckle. Sit down in a chair and "plop" out comes your gun cowboy.

Had you even considered what belt you'd use with a thigh rig? Do you own a dedicated gun-belt? I bet you don't - good gun belts START at $50 and one will generally pay $100 for one. Did you know that thigh rigs are horribly unsecure if you use a "normal" belt? They sag & cannot support the weight adequately.

I would strongly, STRONGLY advise that you not waste your time and money on any sort of thigh rig. They have limited practical use, particularly for a non-advanced firearms user. Get a good gun belt, good quality belt holster, and learn how to use those.
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Alright, what is your intended use? Seriously?

Do you intend to be able to quick draw with the Bulldog rig? If so, good luck - it has a buckle that must first be undone. And given that it's a nylon holster, it has no inheritent retention system if you forego the buckle. Sit down in a chair and "plop" out comes your gun cowboy.

Had you even considered what belt you'd use with a thigh rig? Do you own a dedicated gun-belt? I bet you don't - good gun belts START at $50 and one will generally pay $100 for one. Did you know that thigh rigs are horribly unsecure if you use a "normal" belt? They sag & cannot support the weight adequately.

I would strongly, STRONGLY advise that you not waste your time and money on any sort of thigh rig. They have limited practical use, particularly for a non-advanced firearms user. Get a good gun belt, good quality belt holster, and learn how to use those.
you make a lot of assumptions...especially when you know nothing about me, about what i do, or who i am. im sure your intentions are good and I can appreciate the thought. but to start making assumption on an internet thread isnt always accurate.
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Making assumptions and judging people is what internet forums are all about. I'm judging you right now. Kidding aside the holster you posted looks like garbage. It's a waste of money in my opinion, which is what you are asking for.

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you make a lot of assumptions...especially when you know nothing about me, about what i do, or who i am. im sure your intentions are good and I can appreciate the thought. but to start making assumption on an internet thread isnt always accurate.
I sure have. But I could make less assumptions if you answered questions and provided details, such as "what is your intended use?"

Your base request for information, in of itself, shows a lack of knowledge regarding thigh holsters, the role they best fit, and knowledge of fit & function. Had your request been about a Safariland or Serpa thigh holster, then the presumptions taken would have been entirely different as well. But yes, these are assumptions, which is why critical questions were asked in response... to gather more details, so as to better inform.

I fully admit that I'm being very critical of you, but realize that I'm also trying to help you. If you simply just say "I want one because I think they're cool," that's a perfectly valid and acceptable answer too. If you said that you wanted to get into competitive shooting like USPSA/IDPA, then that would garner a different response. If you said you were active duty military, then that too would have justified a different reply.
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Making assumptions and judging people is what internet forums are all about. I'm judging you right now. Kidding aside the holster you posted looks like garbage. It's a waste of money in my opinion, which is what you are asking for.


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I say we settle this with a duel!

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Alright, what is your intended use? Seriously?
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When bear hunting, are you more often on the move, or stationary in a hide?

One drawback to a drop-leg holster is that they add extra weight to one leg. They have to be adjusted and mounted and strapped in JUST RIGHT. Too loose, and your gun will move around a lot... too tight, and you'll screw circulation... too low will further encumber your movement... too high, often interferes with the family jewels.

Another drawback is that drop-leg holsters love to snag on things. As a hunter on the move, you have to deal with brush, foliage, and debris. Consider that.

To address the specific example holster that the OP posted about, consider this. If you need your sidearm while bear hunting, it's because your primary has gone down and you have seconds before you become lunch. Do you want to fumble with a buckle in order to draw your sidearm? No, you want a holster that will both carry your sidearm securely but allow for a rapid-draw.


In most cases, a good solid hip/belt holster will fill virtually everyone's needs. Drop-leg holsters are really only needed if you have to wear heavy armor - and even then, a chest rig are arguably often be a better choice. There are times when a shoulder holster or chest rig are better suited (armored tank driver).

Again, your use case will vary, depending on what your need and use will be... hence why I asked the OP that in the first place.
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simply an alternative for when i am at the range..specifically for the polymer and alloy firearms.

ill write you a thesis next time...and ill let you know if my airsoft falls out when i sit down
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When bear hunting, are you more often on the move, or stationary in a hide?

One drawback to a drop-leg holster is that they add extra weight to one leg. They have to be adjusted and mounted and strapped in JUST RIGHT. Too loose, and your gun will move around a lot... too tight, and you'll screw circulation... too low will further encumber your movement... too high, often interferes with the family jewels.

Another drawback is that drop-leg holsters love to snag on things. As a hunter on the move, you have to deal with brush, foliage, and debris. Consider that.

To address the specific example holster that the OP posted about, consider this. If you need your sidearm while bear hunting, it's because your primary has gone down and you have seconds before you become lunch. Do you want to fumble with a buckle in order to draw your sidearm? No, you want a holster that will both carry your sidearm securely but allow for a rapid-draw.


In most cases, a good solid hip/belt holster will fill virtually everyone's needs. Drop-leg holsters are really only needed if you have to wear heavy armor - and even then, a chest rig are arguably often be a better choice. There are times when a shoulder holster or chest rig are better suited (armored tank driver).

Again, your use case will vary, depending on what your need and use will be... hence why I asked the OP that in the first place.

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simply an alternative for when i am at the range..specifically for the polymer and alloy firearms.

ill write you a thesis next time...and ill let you know if my airsoft falls out when i sit down
Airsoft? So are you a serious shooter or an Airsofter?

Fine, I'll continue to answer your question in the context of casual range use. First, are you aware that ranges/private clubs that do allow holsters will often restrict drop-leg holsters to LEO only? Fine, let's say you are not subject to that restriction... here's why your selection is a poor one.

You're going to figure out really really fast, that your selection of holster will be very uncomfortable. One design shortcoming is the connection point between the straps and the holster itself - there is nothing solid to prevent the firearm from pivoting from side to side. Each time you move your leg, it will wiggle. The only viable solution is to clamp it down so hard that you'll cut circulation to your leg. Note the Safariland example posted above - it has a solid plate that attaches to the holster & contours to your leg. The straps have multiple "contact points" on that plate, which mitigates the pivoting problem.

The second shortcoming of the Cabela's holster is that you really cannot hitch it up very high on your thigh without permanent modification. The only reason to drop a holster, is to get around heavy armor that you are wearing. Even so, you want to mount it as high up on your leg as possible. Part of the reason is to bring it as close to your hip & your leg's pivot point. This will reduce fatigue vs mounting the weight of your firearm further on down your leg.

Know that there are quick-draw shortcomings of the Cabela's drop-leg holster (or any drop-leg holster), along with significant retention challenges. But since the context is only for casual range use, I will not address them unless asked.


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sitting in a tree stand about 12 feet up. I couldnt get to a hip holster too easily
Okay, consider from a seated position, how easy it would be to draw something mounted to your thigh? That's even more challenging than drawing from your hip, since you have to draw "backwards" along the direction of your leg. With a hip holster, your draw stroke will still be up and out.

If you have nothing constricting your hip area (like a seat belt, harness, etc.), you'll probably be fine with a good hip holster even in a seated position. Otherwise consider a shoulder holster, as I know many hunters do. You do not need to consider a concealment rig that places the firearm directly underneath your armpit, so consider a shoulder holster that places the firearm just forward of your weak-side arm. The less distance your body must twist & your hand must travel, the faster you can draw and engage.
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I bet the dude is a mall ninja.

I don't know shit about holsters. I text Bek on what to get, he replied, l use it. It's just that easy. I am moving to a state that allows ccw (and silencers, machine guns, short barrel rifles and shotguns....)

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That holster is garbage. The serpa holster is garbage, poor design makes it easy for you to shoot yourself in the leg. If you want a drop leg stick with safariland and like what others said you still need a good sturdy belt to go with it.

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I'd go with a Serpa all the way. I've never heard of any problems with them and it's a solid holster.
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Serpa is now banned by FLETC, alot of professional trainers do not allow them in their classes. It is the only holster I know of that you use your trigger finger to disengage the retention.

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Serpa is now banned by FLETC, alot of professional trainers do not allow them in their classes. It is the only holster I know of that you use your trigger finger to disengage the retention.
I have 3 of them and never had any issues. The only other one I'd consider is the Safariland. After reading the reasoning for banning the holster, I find it stupid. It's called training. An untrained person will have an ND regardless of the equipment he is using.

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The idea of wearing soft armor at the range is growing on me fast.

Wouldn't one want a hard holster for a polymer pistol (glocks anyway)?
That cabelas one looks crappy.
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