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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-07-2012, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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S&W 1911 E series.

Looks like a nice gun for the money. If I wasn't spending all my money on this stupid track addiction I would give this gun a try.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/smit...e-series-1911/

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External extractor fail.

The upgrades are nice but IIRC the Taurus PT1911 has 90% of the same upgrades and almost 1/3 of the cost. Cool looking gun but for $1k more, you can get a Wilson/Nighthawk/Miller. I realize it's $1,000 dollar difference, but if you're gonna swing $1,300 for a pistol, you may as well go balls out and get a real custom.

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^Could you please expound as to why external extractors make a hand gun inferior? Also, $1300 is suggested retail. I have never paid retail for a gun. I have not personally shot the Taurus but have heard good things about it. That being said I have owned 4 S&W guns over the years and have never had problems with any of them.

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^Could you please expound as to why external extractors make a hand gun inferior? Also, $1300 is suggested retail. I have never paid retail for a gun. I have not personally shot the Taurus but have heard good things about it. That being said I have owned 4 S&W guns over the years and have never had problems with any of them.
Not knocking S&W, I really like their M&P series, owned a few. Had an old Sigma, etc. It's not the brand, it's the extractor. The weapon just wasn't designed for/with one. Kimber fucked up a LOT of 1911s with externals where they had to go as far as replace the pistol (or at least the slide) to get them to function correctly. As far as how that effects the S&W, I don't know. It was designed and served countless thousands of USGIs over the years with internals, why change it?

To me, a 1911 isn't a viable modern weapon, it adds no benefit and has a lot of downsides when compared to a well built modern pistol. Given that, if I were to buy another 1911, I would want it to look like a 1911 should. I view the 1911 like a '69 Chevelle, it's going to take a lot of time/money to get it to perform/handle like a modern sports/muscle car; that's all fine and good, but would you ever put 3 Spoke Enkeis on a '69 Chevelle? Just because it works for some platforms, doesn't mean it does for all.

Also worth mention here is the pricetag, the $1,300 figure is for the most expensive one and it's the MSRP. Most pistols sell for well under MSRP and at $919, you can probably get them down to $750 or so, that's not a bad deal at all.

BTW, the Taurus is fantastic for the price.

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So basically you don't like them due to Kimber's poor execution and the aesthetics. Not trying to pick a fight just interested in your thoughts. For me most modern handguns cannot duplicate the feel of a 1911. It is one of the easiest handguns to shoot well, just my opinion. It just fits right in my hand. I could care less if they make improvements as long as they work.

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So basically you don't like them due to Kimber's poor execution and the aesthetics. Not trying to pick a fight just interested in your thoughts. For me most modern handguns cannot duplicate the feel of a 1911. It is one of the easiest handguns to shoot well, just my opinion. It just fits right in my hand. I could care less if they make improvements as long as they work.
I explained in detail why I don't like them, the classic 1911 is betrayed by an external extractor.

And for target practice, they're fine and fun. In a tactical role, they're outdated.

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Ah, a purist, S&W has betrayed the 1911. Such a negative tone so quick? We didn't even get to the debate part.

Edit: Someone should tell Marine Special Operations their pistol is only good for target shooting. in a tactical role it is outdated.

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Had a serious hard-on for the SC black frame & slide with bobtail version of this. Bud's gun shop had them for $900 or so and change and they were gone before I could buy. Ended up with my second choice, sort of. I picked up Sig's version of Kimber's Compact CDPII for half the Kimber price and then even under the E-series blowout price...

The Sig may not tingle my pork and beans like the S&W bobtail, but it's still very, very nice.

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