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.45 Auto Lead Ammo (No jacket)

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Im doing a IDPA intro class next weekend at Ripon gun club, but was just informed they do not allow jacketed ammunition at their indoor range. So I'm looking for lead ammo, which is apparently hard to find.

Does any one have an internet source for lead only ammo? I do not reload, as that was the suggestion from the local gun shop. Ripon has club reloads for 9mm and .40 only.

I have the option of using a .22LR, but I'd very much prefer to use my own pistol..... as that's the point of going to the class.
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/730...tter-box-of-50

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...roductId/11960

https://www.buffaloarms.com/ammuniti....aspx?CAT=4447

I've not used any of those as I reload my own. But call your local Dick's Sporting goods as I think some carry the Ultramax stuff.

I know there are other shops online that specialize in re-manufactured ammo that carry lead based rounds...but none come to mind right now since, as I said, I load my own.

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Also, you might ask if they accept plated ammo, as plated is just the same as lead, but has a thin plating of copper to help reduce barrel fouling compared to straight lead.

You might also want to look into a barrel cleaning solution that works on lead fouling, though it's less of an issue with a slow round like t he .45 ACP

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i bought some unjacketed .45 years ago, probably still have a box, but after the first time i shot it i swore i would never put that stuff in any gun i cared about, took forever to get the lead out of the rifling, get plated ammo, possibly CCI? that stuff in aluminum cartridges is plated i think
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I'm checking on Frangible ammo, to see if its acceptable. You guys bring up a good point on lead fouling.
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I'm checking on Frangible ammo, to see if its acceptable. You guys bring up a good point on lead fouling.
If you're hitting steels, frangable doesn't have the mass that lead does. It also has bullet setback problems, which isn't terrible with a .45, again being a low pressure, slower round.

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I don't know how much you peeps shoot, but in the early 90's when I was shooting a lot, our lead counts were thru the roof! Anyone shooting lead indoors is plain nuts, handling lead is dangerous enough, but shooting indoors with lead might as well drink toxic waste. The last IDPA I was at (Racine) they allowed shooting jacketed stuff, there was a couple of steel targets, no problems, because I found splatter, I couldn't believe anyone was shooting expensive stuff at a match. Personally steel targets should not be allowed in IDPA matches, period. I have been shooting Federal Champion .45 ACP I picked up at Cabelas for a song.

And as for IDPA's rule for getting a procedural for a tactical re-load is all I have to say, only someone in full panic spray and pray mode would shoot their gun to battery.

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I'm going to run down to the Cabelas in Milwaukee to pick up some non-jacketed. The frangible is acceptable for the indoor range, so that's my first choice. They also have some nylon jacketed Herters ammo, which sounds interesting. I would think the nylon would just disintegrate for steel targets, like a lead only bullet.
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I don't know how much you peeps shoot, but in the early 90's when I was shooting a lot, our lead counts were thru the roof! Anyone shooting lead indoors is plain nuts, handling lead is dangerous enough, but shooting indoors with lead might as well drink toxic waste..
I was diagnosed with lead poisoning back in 2003 and suffered with it for 4+ years as I refused to stop shooting. Then again I shot 3K rounds of lead ammo a week at the indoor range I worked at and cleaned 4-6 days a week with no respirator. Loading lead without using gloves is dumb too, but what do I know. I toss a .38 wadcutter in my mouth every now and then and just chew. BTW, don't drink stuff while on teh range either, that shit is in the air and your drinking it.

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So after all that running around, I ended up finding some Ultramax at Dick's Sporting Goods. Thanks for the lead on that.

I got pissed off several times, when after calling and asking stores if they had any, I drove 20 min. only to find they were out......and had been out for weeks. "Oh, I thought you meant FMJ."

I did find a nice Mom and Pop gun shop in an out of the way spot. Good selection, ok prices, very knowledgeable.

Fiocchi and Winchester Frangible is out across Wisconsin, and I couldn't find any website that had it in stock. A few places said they did, but when called, confirmed they were out.
Same with Herter's Nylon Jacketed.
The price for .45 ACP FMJ ranges from $19.50 /50 up to $27.50 / 50 for cheap stuff (Blazer, Winchester white box, even the Ultramax was $20/50)

I'm really considering starting to reload after this. Not getting a good price is one thing, it doesn't really pay for a press. Not being able to find ammunition at all....... now that could sell it for me.
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Did you check on using plated projectiles? It seems like rainier or berrys would be perfect for this situation if they are allowed. Let me know if you do decide to get into reloading and need a hand with anything or any advice, I think im only a half hour north of you.
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With .45 ACP, even an expensive progressive press pays for itself in a couple years of regular use. I did the math, and I paid for my RCBS Pro 2000, with digital scale and all the accessories and books, in less than 3 years. I've had it for going on 11 years now.

Keep in mind, with this being an election year, and people getting edgy about gun bans and all that, they are stocking up and hoarding so they don't run dry like in 2008.

I remember seeing a box of printers going for $50(!) in mid 2008, and just the year before I was picking them up for $20. Same shit is going to happen again, except you have all these "wise" reloaders and hoarders who didn't stock up in 2008 saying they aren't going going to be caught with empty shelves this election year. So they've already started buying out everything in sight. Ammunition (especially .45 and .223) are staring to be in short supply, and the components are soon to follow.

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Also, about the lead poisoning, I read a recent study that said most of the cases seen in the past 10 years were all from ingesting lead - not from inhalation. Scooping lead and sweeping floors is one thing (your screwed without protective gear), but your typical shooter and caster shouldn't be worried about poisoning, assuming they take necessary precautions and wash hands and face immediately after contact.

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Also, about the lead poisoning, I read a recent study that said most of the cases seen in the past 10 years were all from ingesting lead - not from inhalation. Scooping lead and sweeping floors is one thing (your screwed without protective gear), but your typical shooter and caster shouldn't be worried about poisoning, assuming they take necessary precautions and wash hands and face immediately after contact.
If you shoot a lot of lead indoors, you will have elevated lead counts in your blood, its dangerous is all I know, if you get really high counts you end up like Henderson or chop off your ear

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Did you check on using plated projectiles? It seems like rainier or berrys would be perfect for this situation if they are allowed. Let me know if you do decide to get into reloading and need a hand with anything or any advice, I think im only a half hour north of you.
I haven't gotten a definite "yes" on the plated, but couldn't find any in stock anyways.

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With .45 ACP, even an expensive progressive press pays for itself in a couple years of regular use. I did the math, and I paid for my RCBS Pro 2000, with digital scale and all the accessories and books, in less than 3 years. I've had it for going on 11 years now.

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So plan accordingly.
Yeah, this was a bit eye opening. Just in the last month, Ive seen prices increase, and shelves get emptier. Midwest Shooters was jam packed on Sunday, when I went in to get the G/F a shooting bag.

I think I'm going to start saving brass at least. That's the most expensive component, and If I have to buy it new, it doesn't pay to reload.
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I haven't gotten a definite "yes" on the plated, but couldn't find any in stock anyways.



Yeah, this was a bit eye opening. Just in the last month, Ive seen prices increase, and shelves get emptier. Midwest Shooters was jam packed on Sunday, when I went in to get the G/F a shooting bag.

I think I'm going to start saving brass at least. That's the most expensive component, and If I have to buy it new, it doesn't pay to reload.
I'm almost 100% positive you can shoot plated. I did, actually no one said anything to me about no FMJ ammo.

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