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Reloading Ammo Class?

I've been kicking around this idea for a while since I've mentored a few people over the years in the basics of reloading.

If we were to host a Reloading Basics class in either Aurora or Bolingbrook, would any of you be interested?

Just off the top of my head, we'd go over:

Why Reload
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and actual Reloading a few rounds on our presses, or your own that we could setup on a temp bench or clamp on setup.

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Wow, that's more interested then I figured, right off the bat.

Great! I'll start working on the class outline and a PPT. I'll update with more info once we hash out details.

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I'm interested....although it would be a drive.

I'd like to see specifics on pistol ammunition. Good tips for cleaning brass, trimming, etc.
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Wow, that's more interested then I figured, right off the bat.

Agreed.

Let the mayhem begin. We may have to break it up into two groups or have two sessions if the interest is this high from the other group as well.

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Agreed.

Let the mayhem begin. We may have to break it up into two groups or have two sessions if the interest is that high.
Including Zombie Squad it might be 3 sessions. I want to make sure we can do a good amount of one-on-one for safety.

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Including Zombie Squad it might be 3 sessions. I want to make sure we can do a good amount of one-on-one for safety.

Quite true, I started thinking of incremental stops for each stage on how folks can check their work and the components along the way for a multifacted QC.

I am going to send you a page with ideas.
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Depending on when and where I'd be willing to help you out

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Depending on when and where I'd be willing to help you out
That would be awesome, H. I'm sure I have quite a bit I could learn from you as well.

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Alright, consider it done.

We're already working on an outline. It may take a couple weeks to pull it all together and flush out the details.

I'm thinking a single afternoon/evening, an hour or two of class, then an hour or two of pressing ammo. Judging from the interest, we'll have more than one class to keep the class size down. And if you have your own gear by the time of the class, we'll have facilities setup so you can dial in your own press work on your own equipment.

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one suggestion I will make to you is if in fact you have the demand for 2+ classes to consider finding out the needs of those partcipating and breaking the classes down by that.

One way to start is by grouping Pistol/Straighwall reloaders and rifle/Bottleneck reloaders. While the pricipals behind reloading are the same there are specifics in eac one that should have dedicated time.

Another thing to consider is skill set. Brand new never even seen a relaoding press people tend to need more one on one time thatn someone with some experiance.

Just a couple of hints for you as I've seen some disasters out there due to too large a group, mixed skill sets and diffrent expectations from a class.

Just some food for thought.

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Thanks, I'm very open to suggestions.

I'm trying to keep this first class K.I.S.S. for those who've never seen or used a press before, then see if we need to flesh out even further for future classes.

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I know I'm new to your site but would be willing to throw in some money if need be to help out. Just recently started shooting rifles at the last zombie shoot so really looking to start reloading. Been using handguns and shotguns for years.
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I'm interested, I'm still stocking my bench so I actually haven't reloaded anything yet.
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after seeing ammo prices today I'm in.

In the meantime would you suggest some good kit? Mainly looking to load 556/223. Maybe later some 308, 9, 40, and 45.
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A "good kit" is something I'm going to go over in class, but here is an overview.

First off, figure your budget. Reloading uses tools, and like any tools, you can get the job done with cheap stuff, or you can make it easier on yourself, and get the job done faster with better tools.

Old timers will tell you to buy a single stage press to learn the basics on, then upgrade to a progressive press. IMHO, if you're willing to put in the investment, a good progressive press (which can churn out 350+ rounds an hour when setup correctly and a competent monkey pulling the lever) can be setup and used as a single stage. You don't have to have everything going at once, just load up one die, and do each step as a single stage. Then, once you get your head wrapped around what each stage does and how to perfect that stage, load up all the dies and start making bullets!

On the flip side, a single stage press can be had as a full blown kit for less than the progressive press alone! And honestly, *everyone* needs a single stage press if they are doing precision rifle ammunition. So eventually, you'll have *both*. It just depends on what your budget is and how much you're willing to pay out up front.

Right now Midway USA has the RCBS Rockchucker kit on sale. Most old timers have the Rockchucker as their single stage press...unless they are into super-precision rounds, then they probably have a super-precision single stage press (some even hand made!)

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/937...it?cm_vc=TT014

Another great bang for the bluck is the Lee press kit. Lee is sort of the Hyundai of presses. Cheap, and gets the job done.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/121...tage-press-kit

For progressive presses...well, it's almost like asking what oil is the best to car guys. It can get kind of heated as some people are die hards (usually the Dillion guys aka Blue Kool-Aid - Think Harley guys talking down to sport bikers).

I love my RCBS Pro 2000 press, but having played with a couple of the Hornady Lock N Load progressive presses with all the bells and whistles...holy shit they make some great hardware for the money and it can press much faster than my RCBS press. And if you're a Ducati riding, Starbucks sippin baller, there is always Dillion Precision presses. If I were to go balls out progressive press today, the Hornady LnL would be the one I'd get:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/632...plant-110-volt

That said, you can get a good progressive press without all the bells and whistles, buy a good digital scale, some dies for the caliber you want to reload, and a few basic accessories to prep the brass, and probably get started for about $600.

As for how quickly pressing your own bullets will pay for itself...figure you can save 40%-60% depending on the caliber and current prices, and considering you get better deals when buying the components in bulk. Just calculate out how much you spend, how much you'll save, and how much you plan on shooting each month...and it's easy to figure out when the press starts paying for itself.

Back in 2000 when I got my RCBS Pro 2000 press, I dropped about $1000 into hardware and figured I had it all paid off in less than 3 years of *casual* shooting. And back then, bullets were considerably less than they are now. The cost of presses and accessories has hardly gone up at all, so you'll break even much sooner now, especially if you're doing more than 9mm (typically the cheapest bullet cost per round).

So yeah, that was a bit longer then I wanted it to be, but that's the summary. Figure out what you want to spend, figure out which caliber you want to start with (pistol calibers are easier), and we can dial you in more specifically.

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Bump, just a heads up...we are still having the class, but I've had to push it back a few weeks due to projects at work taking up more of my free time.

I don't want to half ass this, and I'm a picky bastard, so I won't host a class until I'm happy with it.

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I already volunteered you.

I just finished rebuilding my reloading bench last night, added wheels to it so we can have a press on each side to show off different hardware. I just need to put the Power Point together and run the test group.

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