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AR dissipator: Wadda ya know???

So, I ended up with a 20" AR, which I love. But I have a burning desire for a carbine, however I don't really dig the short hamd guards. Enter the dissipator.

I found two I like. One is a "faux" dissipator, with a middy lopro gas block and a pinned FSB and rifle length guard from Palmettto. The other is a real dissipator. The only bit I've read that was bad about the setup was at Palmetto's site about the reason they went fake because the gas port is too close to the end of the barrel, but is a couple inches gonna make a real difference?

The other reason I dig this idea is that I want to get a .22LR bolt combined with the shorter/lighter barrel for my son to learn on. And for me to play at the range.

What say ye, CLSB?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...issipator.html

http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_...y_p/dt1026.htm

So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
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check out spikes

they use a low pro pinned gas block at the mid position and a pinned fsb at the rifle position w 16 in barrel.

psa, while they make good stuff, use a set screw gas block in their dissipators. (Unless they changed em)

Pinned gas blocks are less likely to shift and fail AFAIK

Rifle length gas port on a 16 in barrel... I would pass.
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Why are you set on the rifle length gas system? Sounds like a mid length might fit the bill.

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check out spikes

they use a low pro pinned gas block at the mid position and a pinned fsb at the rifle position w 16 in barrel.

psa, while they make good stuff, use a set screw gas block in their dissipators. (Unless they changed em)

Pinned gas blocks are less likely to shift and fail AFAIK

Rifle length gas port on a 16 in barrel... I would pass.
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Checked out spike's - nice, thanks for the info!

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Why are you set on the rifle length gas system? Sounds like a mid length might fit the bill.
Not so much for the gas system, but for the sight radius. When I started looking at them, you either had a cut down 20" or the middy "mock" set up. I was curious is Palmetto was correct in stating that the proximity of the gas port to the barrel end fucked with cycling the gun.

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Looks like Palmetto's version is pinned and staked and set up like Spike's, but beats it by about $10 bucks.

Palmetto might also get the nod because you can add a BUIS, Troy brake, different charging handle, etc.

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Looks like Palmetto's version is pinned and staked and set up like Spike's, but beats it by about $10 bucks.

Palmetto might also get the nod because you can add a BUIS, Troy brake, different charging handle, etc.
the gas block is pinned?
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the gas block is pinned?
Ah, yeah... Missed that, and PSA site doesn't list it. Guess it's e-mail time.

What's the alt to a pinned gas block anyway? Bolts?

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Ah, yeah... Missed that, and PSA site doesn't list it. Guess it's e-mail time.

What's the alt to a pinned gas block anyway? Bolts?
Set scres in the bottom of the gas block. Usually they dimple the barrel where the set screws land, but sometimes you may have to do this yourself. If you need a hand let me know.

I personally will NEVER send spikes any of my money, the CEO is a dick and has poor business habbits. I also could care less for the cartoony shit they plaster all over their stuff. They do have some quality bits, but my money is better spent elsewhere. YMMV

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Palmetto uses set screws, but I don't think they dimple the barrels.

If you email let us know what they say about pinning the gas block, I would buy one if they did.

What happened with Spikes DD?
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Tom the CEO of Spikes went into a "New Product Announcement" thread stated by Palmetto State and shit all over them, but the joke was on him as many people saw it and have since formulated the same opinion.

The guy is a douche and thinks people aren't going to care that he acts like a child, well it has cost him alot of business already and hopefully alot more. Palmetto State handled the situation like real professionals, and even offered to help Tom and Spikes - to which there was no reply.

If you like Spikes, then more power to you. I won't buy ANYTHING from them as long as Tom is there, and probably not even after.

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So, I ended up with a 20" AR, which I love. But I have a burning desire for a carbine, however I don't really dig the short hamd guards. Enter the dissipator.

I found two I like. One is a "faux" dissipator, with a middy lopro gas block and a pinned FSB and rifle length guard from Palmettto. The other is a real dissipator. The only bit I've read that was bad about the setup was at Palmetto's site about the reason they went fake because the gas port is too close to the end of the barrel, but is a couple inches gonna make a real difference?

The other reason I dig this idea is that I want to get a .22LR bolt combined with the shorter/lighter barrel for my son to learn on. And for me to play at the range.

What say ye, CLSB?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...issipator.html

http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_...y_p/dt1026.htm
While there is absolutely nothing wrong with either Delton or Palmetto State, you have a couple of other options:

http://www.dpmsinc.com/TACTICAL-16_ep_107-1.html
http://www.dpmsinc.com/TAC2_ep_89-1.html

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWA3F16DMOE.asp

Build your own with an ADCO barrel:
http://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdeta...orynumber=5202

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That's good to know about Spikes. Being a douche bumps you down my list in a big way...you should be helping the community, not shitting on it.

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Here is Tom's post today about PSA, the guy is so full of himself and his BS:
"Honestly, I like the guys at PSA, me picking their shit a part is only going to make them produce a nicer product. It will also make them a stronger company. Yes they have pissed me off, did some stuff I didn't like, made some products in a way which I wouldn't have. But they are good guys, and they build a decent rifle. Between the rifles the OP listed I WOULD rather have the PSA, it has a CMV barrel (most likely FN), M16 carrier, C158 bolt, ect.. Alright I'm done in here, carry on. "

I hate assholes like this and I refuse to support them!

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While there is absolutely nothing wrong with either Delton or Palmetto State, you have a couple of other options:

http://www.dpmsinc.com/TACTICAL-16_ep_107-1.html
http://www.dpmsinc.com/TAC2_ep_89-1.html

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWA3F16DMOE.asp

Build your own with an ADCO barrel:
http://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdeta...orynumber=5202
I saw the DPMS rifles. The Bushmaster has the same idea. All good things, but I'm not looking for another rifle, just an upper.

The ADCO barrel is interesting... That might shake out cheaper in the end, if I built it myself.

So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
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Set scres in the bottom of the gas block. Usually they dimple the barrel where the set screws land, but sometimes you may have to do this yourself. If you need a hand let me know.

I personally will NEVER send spikes any of my money, the CEO is a dick and has poor business habbits. I also could care less for the cartoony shit they plaster all over their stuff. They do have some quality bits, but my money is better spent elsewhere. YMMV
I guess you are all over the PSA vs Spikes thread on 6.9 proofing on arfcom?

BFD! I have built 2 spikes ARs so far - one of them Dissy and I stand by their product - PSA while close is not as good on steel quality as spikes on the barrels.
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I guess you are all over the PSA vs Spikes thread on 6.9 proofing on arfcom?

BFD! I have built 2 spikes ARs so far - one of them Dissy and I stand by their product - PSA while close is not as good on steel quality as spikes on the barrels.

Like I said, it is just my opinion. If you are happy with Spikes stuff, more power to you. I NEVER said they don't make good stuff, but I'm not a fanboy either of any particular brand. PSA does make good products, but I don't own anything from them either, so it isn't a Spikes vs PSA thing for me it's all about business practice.

There is alot of really good stuff out there, which includes Spikes, I just don't like people like Tom Miller. I have dealt with many just like him over my 20+ years of of building AR's, and this is not the only company I have said this about and I'm sure it won't be the last.

There are really great companies out there with great people that own/work for them, Spikes has some great folks, just not their CEO.

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Both companies make good stuff. I have specimens from both companies and both are 100% reliable so far. PSA has good customer service. I emailed them about a 2 minor issues and they immediately emailed a shipping label.
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Just heard back from PSA, their mock dissy has a pinned gas block. For what I want it for, I think I have a winner. Now to start the saving. Thanks for all the input and info CLSB.

So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
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Just heard back from PSA, their mock dissy has a pinned gas block. For what I want it for, I think I have a winner. Now to start the saving. Thanks for all the input and info CLSB.
Pinned for real? That is good news. I will probably order one.

They had aimpoint pro's on sale today for $360, had 2 in my cart and they disappeared....

Then said out of stock.... then price went back to $400. Happened within a few hours after I got the email. Bummers.
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