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IL. ban on Conceal carry struck down

The WGN TV news at noon just reported that a federal court has struck down as unconstitutional the Illinois law that effectively bans conceal carry. It was reported as a major victory for the NRA. It was also reported that the court ruled that the right to protect oneself extends beyond your home and ordered State of Illinois lawmakers to come up with a conceal carry law within 6 months. In the report it was stated that Illinois is the ONLY state without one.
This story had just broke and those were the only details but WGN is trying to reach Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office for comment and will have a full report on their evening news at 5 PM.

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I nominate this guy to run for JJJ's seat. Per the Sun Times:

In Chicago, Ald. Howard Brookins (21st), chairman of the City Council’s Black Caucus, welcomed the ruling, citing the “unequal treatment” of people caught with weapons in Cook County.

“If you’re stopped in Chicago, it’s been a felony. If you’re stopped in one of these suburban towns, the state’s attorney has been charging you with a misdemeanor,” Brookins said.

“If you just walk out to your garage and see that your wife is coming in the house safely and you happen to have your gun on, you’re in technical violation of our ordinance. I would hope that all of these ordinances would be consolidated, and there would be one set of rules [so] people know where the bright line is.”

Brookins said he’s not at all concerned that concealed carry would turn inner-city neighborhoods already reeling from gang violence into shooting galleries.

“Those people have a gun now. They’ve just been made criminals because they can’t legally have it. And the gang-bangers and thugs are gonna have a gun regardless,” he said.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7034171.story

The entire document is here. I just finished reading the first half - the 2nd half is the dissenting opinion.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...w-decision.pdf


Note that this does NOT MEAN we will get CCW here in Illinois. It only means that the current blanket ban is unconsitutional - these are two different things entirely. The opinion upholds the state's right to enact a reasonable law, i.e. permit system, for CCW.

Now here's where we still get fucked. How many of you are familiar with New York's permit system? In NY, YOU, the CCW applicant, have to JUSTIFY that you are in NEED of a CCW permit. Otherwise, NY can and will deny you application. It is not a "shall-issue" state. NY's law is specifically discussed in the document above and the court case against it, which resulted in that law being upheld, is discussed at length.

What does this mean? That IL *COULD* still pass a CCW law... but restrict it such that it is NOT a "shall-issue" law. Meaning that approval, just cause, etc. could become requirements in your CCW permit application. What more, it also means that IL could theoretically DENY applicants, depending how the legalese is written.

While this judgement is a step in the right direction, the fight is nowhere close to being won.
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Waiting for Chicago to claim "home rule".
Not a lawyer but in this case I don't think they can because the ruling is from a federal court.
Another thing to remember is that this ruling was not from the Supreme court. The state has the option of delaying this further while it moves toward appealing the apellate court decision to the Supremes...That's assuming the Supremes will take the case, which they may not. In that case it becomes a legislative battle.

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Note that this does NOT MEAN we will get CCW here in Illinois. It only means that the current blanket ban is unconsitutional - these are two different things entirely. The opinion upholds the state's right to enact a reasonable law, i.e. permit system, for CCW.

Now here's where we still get fucked. How many of you are familiar with New York's permit system? In NY, YOU, the CCW applicant, have to JUSTIFY that you are in NEED of a CCW permit. Otherwise, NY can and will deny you application. It is not a "shall-issue" state. NY's law is specifically discussed in the document above and the court case against it, which resulted in that law being upheld, is discussed at length.

What does this mean? That IL *COULD* still pass a CCW law... but restrict it such that it is NOT a "shall-issue" law. Meaning that approval, just cause, etc. could become requirements in your CCW permit application. What more, it also means that IL could theoretically DENY applicants, depending how the legalese is written.

While this judgement is a step in the right direction, the fight is nowhere close to being won.
And there is the catch. Or they could charge a shitload for the license. Economic deterrent. I guess we just wait and see.
I would be cool with a short safety course and $10 license fee. Run a 2nd background check if they like too for all I care for any violent criminal acts or temper problems that carrying could make ugly.

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I looked into getting my sis in NY a foid card for xmas last year. Not only is the process a shit ton more involved, it is definitely more expensive than here in IL. What I am trying to say is, careful what you wish more. The end result of this push for CCW may be more legislation making the process of just owning a firearm that much more difficult whether it be because of more red tape, less privacy, or more money out of your pocket. One step forward, two steps back.

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Step in the right direction, it will be interesting if not frustrating watching this play out.

This could be promising: Phelps would not rule out possibly trying to move concealed carry legislation during the upcoming lame-duck legislative session, which runs from Jan. 2 through mid-day on Jan. 9. But he stopped short of saying how closely a new bill would mimic HB148. Excerpt from: http://www.suntimes.com/16951312-418...d-weapons.html

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At least we are moving in the right direction. The previous CCW legislation that we lost by a few votes included preemption, so no home rule or violating local ordinances; state law is the law. hopefully what they agree upon does also. If it doesn't and it is more like NY, I'm all good as I would qualify in NY, but I really hope preemption is included.

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I looked into getting my sis in NY a foid card for xmas last year. Not only is the process a shit ton more involved, it is definitely more expensive than here in IL. What I am trying to say is, careful what you wish more. The end result of this push for CCW may be more legislation making the process of just owning a firearm that much more difficult whether it be because of more red tape, less privacy, or more money out of your pocket. One step forward, two steps back.
FOID is an Illinois thing, are you perhaps talking about the NY Pistol Carry license?
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At least we are moving in the right direction. The previous CCW legislation that we lost by a few votes included preemption, so no home rule or violating local ordinances; state law is the law. hopefully what they agree upon does also. If it doesn't and it is more like NY, I'm all good as I would qualify in NY, but I really hope preemption is included.

I wonder if IL has to pay for the NRA's attorney's fees now....

I was pretty pessimstic about actually being able to get a permit in chicago, but the fact that they already have a law ready with a lot of support that includes preemption gives me some hope.

I'm told that if nothing is agreed on, we get Vermont style carry?
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It will end up being like California where they allow CCW but restrict it so no one can get a permit. In California they only issue I there is good cause and in any city area they say nothin is good cause.

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You guys are smokin cheap crack again if you think Chicago is going to hand out concealed carry permits. They will have a process for applying for one, it will be long, complicated and very, very expensive, so they will be accordance with the federal laws, but this is the sovereign state of Chicago, only the gang bangers are to have guns.

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Yes, I mean the foid equivalent. I think it was like $900 for the license.

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Chicago can do whatever they want...I'm rarely east of Mannheim. I would imagine DuPage, Kane, Lake, McHenry, etc counties would make it attainable.
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You guys are smokin cheap crack again if you think Chicago is going to hand out concealed carry permits. They will have a process for applying for one, it will be long, complicated and very, very expensive, so they will be accordance with the federal laws, but this is the sovereign state of Chicago, only the gang bangers are to have guns.
If the right law gets enacted Chicago won't have a choice. This is where getting involved comes in. Let your representatives know how you feel. Whatever bill is introduced it needs a preemption clause that takes the "home rule" bullet out of the city's gun!


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Perhaps Illinois realized it can make millions of dollars issuing CCW licenses.
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Here is a synopsis of the HB148 - it's an old post, so the bill may have been tweeked since then.

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Emauel is a fucking tool and a fool speaking like this for Chicago residents saying we are making the streets safer we have this many guns taken. News flash you fucking moron the streets are not safer they are fucking deadlier. I mean thy are bold enough to shoot at school buses loaded with kids

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Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday denounced as “wrong-headed” and a danger to Chicago a federal appeals court ruling that tossed out Illinois’ ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave the General Assembly six months to make it legal.

Emanuel said he has spent his entire public life doing battle against the National Rifle Association and he’s not about to stop now, even though federal appeals court judges have put state lawmakers on the clock.

The mayor portrayed the justices as out of touch and urged them to come down from their ivory tower and experience the terror that Chicagoans feel in neighborhoods held hostage by gangs.

“This ruling runs counter to not only common sense but what every police chief in the country thinks, which is we should not allow more guns on the street. It’s wrong-headed. They need to start spending a little more time in the real world and understand that their opinions have consequences to the people of Chicago,” the mayor said.

“I do not think you should be undermining our law enforcement community and our residents with a ruling that creates more potential for violence and makes the job of keeping our communities safer all that much harder.”

In his majority opinion, federal appeals judge Richard Posner wrote that “a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.”

The comment obviously angered Emanuel.

“Well, I’ve got something for you — especially when a judge talks about being up on the 35th floor. We have taken more guns off the streets of Chicago. We have arrested more gangs. Come down from the 35th floor onto the streets and help us protect our kids, our residents and law-abiding” people, Emanuel said.

The mayor said he found it “ironic” that, on the same day the federal appeals court set the stage for concealed carry in Illinois, Cook County’s chief judge chose to ban cell phones in the courtroom.

“Somehow, the courtroom is a place of sanctity that needs to be respected without cell phones, but our streets, all types of guns are allowed on,” the mayor said.

“Two courts totally different, so it can’t be said I’m comparing apples and oranges. But, it’s a strange sense of values that guns are permissible on the streets, but cell phones are a hindrance to the courtroom….Cell phones will now be banned in court, but guns? Well, open up the flood gates and let `em out on the streets.”

When Chicago’s handgun ban was overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court, then-Mayor Richard M. Daley sarcastically warned of a return to the Wild West where everybody has a gun.

Emanuel wouldn’t go quite that far. But he said the U.S. Supreme Court was wrong then and the federal appeals court is wrong now.

“Illinois has stood out correctly as it relates to concealed carry. And what goes on in the city of Chicago is clearly different than what goes on in parts of our Downstate. I respect that. But, I want people to also respect the city of Chicago, respect our children, respect our residents,” the mayor said.

“We have issues that are different. While our police are pulling more guns off the street, they’re taking gangs off the street.”

Emanuel said he talked to Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan after the ruling and offered to make available experts on gun laws from the city’s Law and Police Departments. The mayor said he didn’t “tell her what to do,” but he obviously hopes that Madigan opts to file an appeal.

“We’ve taken about 7,000 more guns off the street this year than [last] and I don’t think what we should be doing is what this court ruling does, which is decide to reverse that type of flow, which is more guns going back on the street,” he said.

In a split opinion, the three-member 7th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed lower court rulings in two cases Downstate that upheld the state’s longstanding prohibition against carrying concealed weapons.

Illinois is the only state with an outright prohibition on concealed carry.

A move to legalize concealed weapons could surface as soon as the January lame-duck session but is more likely to drag into the spring with a debate now no longer centering on whether to permit concealed carry but where — or where not — to permit it, such as college campuses, bars, sports arenas and movie theaters.

The timing hinges on Madigan’s plans. She still hasn’t said whether she intends to appeal this week’s dramatic ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .

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