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Emergency Group Buy - Billet Lowers?

Got an "Emergency Group Buy" so to speak.

Over the weekend I've had a lot of requests for lower receivers - most people looking to jump on a "quality lower they've been meaning to get"

So I'm putting in an order with Quentin Defense on billet lowers later tonight or early tomorrow. I want to get in line before any further panic buys or "whatever may come".

http://www.quentindefense.com/

I called Quentin this morning, and they are 2 weeks out on the QD logo lowers, and have a few Army, Marine, Airforce, and Coast Guard in stock now. I'm ordering a QD logo lower for myself...maybe a billet upper as well.

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Billet Lower - $150
Billet Upper with Fwd Assist - $175
Forged Lower - $110
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I'll cover shipping to our FFL in Aurora - Transfer fee is only $20 through us. I can ship to an FFL of your choice for only $10 - but you'd have to deal with their transfer fees of course.

Pay Pal to [email protected] as Pay Pal Gift before 6pm tonight and send me a message with exactly what you want. Order is going in late tonight or early tomorrow morning. Sorry for the short notice, I just have several people that are hot to get their lowers ASAP.

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I know nothing so this is just a for information question. Why is there a premium for billet vs forged? I would assume that a forged piece would be stronger?

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I know nothing so this is just a for information question. Why is there a premium for billet vs forged? I would assume that a forged piece would be stronger?
Billet is machined from solid stock, and forged is machined from a cast forging. Depending on the materials used, forged is considered stronger.

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I know nothing so this is just a for information question. Why is there a premium for billet vs forged? I would assume that a forged piece would be stronger?
Lower receiver is a relatively low stress part, so it's really moot which is stronger. That said, forged is typically stronger unless the billet is a "forged billet" where the block of aluminum is actually forged before machining. The advantage of billet is that your not stuck to the milspec shape and size of the forged block that the forged lowers are made from.






With billet, as long as the key points are able to mate up with millspec parts, you can do what you want. Make them thicker and stronger, make flared magwells, integrated trigger guard, custom buttons, whatever.











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I know nothing so this is just a for information question. Why is there a premium for billet vs forged? I would assume that a forged piece would be stronger?
in terms of ar parts, billet looks nicer, and that's about it. some would argue that the billet part will hold tighter tolerance, but the forged lower has the same final machining steps as the fully machined part.


it's funny to me that the billet stuf is more expensive. it's a lot easier for a startup company to start machining lowers than it is for them to invest in the tooling to start creating forgings.....

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in terms of ar parts, billet looks nicer, and that's about it. some would argue that the billet part will hold tighter tolerance, but the forged lower has the same final machining steps as the fully machined part.


it's funny to me that the billet stuf is more expensive. it's a lot easier for a startup company to start machining lowers than it is for them to invest in the tooling to start creating forgings.....
Very very few shops have their own forging. There are something like a dozen shops in the US that forge lowers for everyone. The rest depends on machining and finish and what rollmark you put on your forged lower. You can figure out where yours was forged by small forge marks on your lowers.


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I've seen raw forgings for sale for 20-30 bucks. you should be able to buy enough Al stock to make 3-4 lowers with 20-30 bucks. more engineering involved with the full billet piece, but not much more. I had semi-seriously looked into getting an FFL type 7 and start making lowers and some other parts. billet looked to be the most cost effective way to get into it, even if you're selling billet lowers at forged lower prices.
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I've seen raw forgings for sale for 20-30 bucks. you should be able to buy enough Al stock to make 3-4 lowers with 20-30 bucks. more engineering involved with the full billet piece, but not much more. I had semi-seriously looked into getting an FFL type 7 and start making lowers and some other parts. billet looked to be the most cost effective way to get into it, even if you're selling billet lowers at forged lower prices.
I agree with you on cost, mostly. I'm pretty sure it's the time and cost of Engineering, CNC machines, and maintenance of those machines. I was told those CNC machines bust be run very slowly to get the precision needed, and time is money.

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I agree with you on cost, mostly. I'm pretty sure it's the time and cost of Engineering, CNC machines, and maintenance of those machines. I was told those CNC machines bust be run very slowly to get the precision needed, and time is money.

there's really not that much precision machining on the lowers though. the mag well would probably be the toughest cut, and you can get it done with a mill cut and a hand finish operation.

here's a cool website with the machining steps for a billet lower:
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*sigh*

Still got sources for AR mags? I have plenty of GI surplus mags stocked, but am considering snagging some fancy P-Mags, before prices truly skyrocket.
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Panic buying...

*sigh*

Still got sources for AR mags? I have plenty of GI surplus mags stocked, but am considering snagging some fancy P-Mags, before prices truly skyrocket.

I was going to recommend the latest generation of Magpul PMAG 30 rounders...but it looks like all the shops sold out over the weekend.

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I agree with you on cost, mostly. I'm pretty sure it's the time and cost of Engineering, CNC machines, and maintenance of those machines. I was told those CNC machines bust be run very slowly to get the precision needed, and time is money.
on AL you can run pretty fast. Just don't change direction too fast for the motors to handle so there isn't any over run and its NBD.

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*sigh*

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Personally, I say we get a whole mess of 80 percent lowers, and one jig we can share as needed. Mostly because the idea of machining my own lower with a drill press sounds fucking badass

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Already working on that plan. I was about to get some Quentin 80% lowers when this terrible event happened. Instead I'm putting in an order for complete lowers and getting back to the 80% ones later...

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He didn't yet. Snag them while you can. I am STILL waiting for a shipment of lowers that we placed months ago to come in. It's been ridiculous.
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Ok, question. I am waiting on my FOID to come in, applied 2 weeks ago. I was researching building up an AR. Do I have to wait for the FOID before I can buy stuff?

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Ok, question. I am waiting on my FOID to come in, applied 2 weeks ago. I was researching building up an AR. Do I have to wait for the FOID before I can buy stuff?

Yes Im a noob shooter/collector. Have a class next week up in Crystal Lake. Me and my son to get class and hands on with an AR.
Unfortunately the foid is a prerequisite to purchasing, you can't buy anything without it. Intact if you went to a gun store they wouldnt even let you touch anything.

Check with your class that its okay to not have a foid. It probably is, but make sure.
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Unfortunately the foid is a prerequisite to purchasing, you can't buy anything without it. Intact if you went to a gun store they wouldnt even let you touch anything.

Check with your class that its okay to not have a foid. It probably is, but make sure.

he should be able to buy everything other than the lower......right?
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Unfortunately the foid is a prerequisite to purchasing, you can't buy anything without it. Intact if you went to a gun store they wouldnt even let you touch anything.

Check with your class that its okay to not have a foid. It probably is, but make sure.
Thats already covered. I applied for the FOID thru the gunshop and I do not need it for the initial class, but will need it for subsiquent range time or classes.

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If you're thinking about getting the a lower, we can order it for you and hold on to it till you get your FOID. We *can not* transfer it till you have your FOID.

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Too many questions. PM sent

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Eric, along the same lines, I cannot buy a lower directly from you, correct? I do NOT have a FOID, I have a Florida drivers license and a Florida concealed weapons license. So that means it would have to be shipped to a Florida FFL and I would pick it up there, correct? Do I still pay the $20 through you guys? I pay $24-$30 when I pick anything up at my local FFL.
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