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What do you guys think of CZ?

No not those fake diamonds, I'm talking about czech made guns. I'm really looking haerd at a CZ rifle right now.




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I'm looking at a CZ 452 with 24 inch barrell

http://www.cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=3




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I'm looking at a CZ 452 with 24 inch barrell

http://www.cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=3
Couldn't you get a Ruger for about that price????? I can get a 10/22 for $200 brand new. Are these any better?

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Ya sure, but the ruger is sooooo small. they only have an 18.5 inch barrell. this thing dwarfs the ruger, plus its a bolt action and you cant touch a ruger in bolt action for under 300




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so youre looking at bolt instead of an auto loader huh ?

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Nice links there mike.




I'm moving away from a ruger, seems like everyone and thier brother has a 10/22, I want something different.




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There's good reason everyone has a Ruger 10/22

And the bolt action Ruger's are less expensive than the semi autos.

Also think about mods...the 10/22 has a HUGE aftermarket following.
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I wouldn't do it. At least in .22 non mag. If you want a .22 mag Gander has a bolt action with scope on sale for $199. Personally, I don’t think the ballistics on the .22mag is worth it. If you just want a .22 bolt, find a Marlin with the 22" barrel for about $100, lighten the trigger and spend the rest on a better scope. I have one just like it sitting in the vault. It is very tight out to 100 yards. BTW, a 24" barrel is a waste on a .22. Frankly 18.5" is plenty long for match grade accuracy. I’m not a big fan of the 10/22 stock as I had a Remington nylon that shot circles around it and was indestructible. The groupings were ˝ the size. On the other hand aftermarket 10/22s are great, but those really don’t count as the good ones are new guns from the trigger up. They are also a lot more $$$. If I could find a good used one cheap, I’d be all over it. Now I just need a place to shoot one that’s not 1.5 hours away.

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NOw if you want a fun 10/22 here is the toy for you!

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I was thinking of shooting the .22 pistol in the basement. I don't think the spousal unit would let me get away with it... lol

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I went o Mega Sports tonight looking at .22's. Damn you guys for getting me thinking! DAMN YOU ! !

The 2 that caught my eye was the Remington auto 597 22LR- Heavy Barrel and a beautiful wood stock and drilled and tapped for scope mounts for $235
This one: http://www.remington.com/firearms/rimfire/597hbls.htm

and a Savage .17 HMR bolt Stainless/synthetic. Thats a really hot round compared to a 22LR. Its a 22 mag necked down. again for $235 with the Weaver mounts

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There's good reason everyone has a Ruger 10/22

And the bolt action Ruger's are less expensive than the semi autos.

Also think about mods...the 10/22 has a HUGE aftermarket following.
I'm not sure where your shopping but the msrp's on the bolts are not lower than the auto's

Bolt action prices

Auto prices

I'm not saying the ruger isnt a good gun, just saying I want something with a little more charactor. Theres a reason people have F4's all over the place, but then theres a reason people ride MV's and ducatis. See what I'm saying




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So what the deal with the 17's Mike? been hearing more and more about them.

Man you guys are killin me I was checking out that CZ and really liking the way it felt.




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I said thinking and I'm sure anyone else was joking. I'm pretty sure discharging a firearm indoors is against multiple village/city ordinances where ever I'ved lived. Now you have me wondering how to get "zoned" for an indoor range? Since I'm only 10 minute from Gat I wouldn't bother, but I'm curious.

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did you check out the CZ 22 at Mega ? Thats one long ass barrel ! 28" . A unique open sight set up too. Would take some getting used to. The guy said it was an extremely accurate gun though.

The .17 has become really popular in the last couple of years and has come down in price a bit since then too. Id have to look up the ballistics but I think it packs a much more powerful punch than a 22LR. A lot of guys have started using them to hunt coyotes which is why it interests me. They can get really pricey if you look at the specialty varmint models but can be had for mid 2's for a standard grade model. A nice flat shooting round but a little more expensive to shoot than a 22 LR. I looked at a couple of GOOD ammo for it tonight at Mega and it was $9-10 for a box of 50. They had cans of 22LR for $9 for 500 rounds. Depends how much youre going to be shooting it I guess

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The one thing I didn't like about the Remington Nylon was the freefloating barrel. Since the scope mounts on the reciever, the barrel can shift and throw the shot off if you go with a scope. Since it was a field gun, I generally just went with the irons. IMO, if you are going with a scoped rifle, go with one that has a solid barrel/receiver. Or you can tap the barrel and use an offset scope.

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Tony, you are looking at "real good" bolt actions at full retail. Those rifles have good to excellent triggers and barrels. They are just scaled down varment rifles. They are going to run more than a overgrown plinking 10/22 even with a bull barrel.

At some point you need to ask yourself what are you planning to do with it? If you are going to take your time, count heartbeats and try to make tight grouping from a distance get a good bolt or an upscale 10/22 with a quality trigger. If you want to hit the plinking pond and shoot up some mashmellows get a 10/22. Of course, a match quality 10/22 will breeze through both.

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did you check out the CZ 22 at Mega ? Thats one long ass barrel ! 28" . A unique open sight set up too. Would take some getting used to. The guy said it was an extremely accurate gun though.

Thats the exact gun I was looking at. The thing I liked about it was the long ass barrel , and the fact that the trigger pressure was adjustable.




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Tony, you are looking at "real good" bolt actions at full retail. Those rifles have good to excellent triggers and barrels. They are just scaled down varment rifles. They are going to run more than a overgrown plinking 10/22 even with a bull barrel.

At some point you need to ask yourself what are you planning to do with it? If you are going to take your time, count heartbeats and try to make tight grouping from a distance get a good bolt or an upscale 10/22 with a quality trigger. If you want to hit the plinking pond and shoot up some mashmellows get a 10/22. Of course, a match quality 10/22 will breeze through both.
So how do you tell a match quality 10/22 from a regular one when your at the shop?




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they sell differant versions, but i dont know if you can find the top of the line ruger 10/22 anymore, it was the TNZ model, that i own.

just remember the 22 is a plinking toy, 50 yards is almost its best holding accuracy, stretching it out to 80 yards if tough but do able, and 100 takes good shooting and reading the wind to hit a 3 inch circle.

but you can do alot to them to make them really accurate as a 22 can get.



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they sell differant versions, but i dont know if you can find the top of the line ruger 10/22 anymore, it was the TNZ model, that i own.

just remember the 22 is a plinking toy, 50 yards is almost its best holding accuracy, stretching it out to 80 yards if tough but do able, and 100 takes good shooting and reading the wind to hit a 3 inch circle.

but you can do alot to them to make them really accurate as a 22 can get.
It's this one.

http://www.internetarmory.com/Mercha...tegory_Code=RR

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thats the one brian, plus the receiver and barrel are matched and the chamber is a matched throted.

all the other ruger 10/22 are not done up this way.
ive shot alot of differant brand name ammo threw it and it shoots everything really good, best so far is elley matched ammo.

for the most part, you can get a 22 and have the front milled and matched to a custom barrel, but then you get a cost of over 500 bucks by the time your done, see if you can track down another one of those TNZ only a limited amount of them were made, and i think they stoped making them in 2002? from what i was told.



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oh and if i understood you correctly, go for a volQ barrel.

this barrel thats on this isnt the best but it does a darn good job, but when ever i change this barrel out i am gonna get a fluted barrel ported tip compitition barrel, but those are around 400 bucks. YIKES!



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