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Need to adjust rear sight on my SA XD...

Title says it all... just wondering if anyone here has a tool for it or a recommendation on where to go and get it done in Chicagoland.

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Why do you think the sight is off? Have several people shoot the weapon, it may be user error. I learned that, and used this chart to help improve my accuracy.

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Why do you think the sight is off? Have several people shoot the weapon, it may be user error. I learned that, and used this chart to help improve my accuracy.

Hi Dave,

The rear sight is a good 1-2mm off to one side, so I wanted to simply make sure it's centered/adjusted well. I'm not sure if the right way to go about doing this is to just center it or to take it to someone with experience to shoot it from a vice and adjust it that way. I'm a newb to guns so I'm really not sure how this is normally done, but long story short I want to make sure the gun is sighted properly. In other words, I am not trying to adjust it for my own shooting as I surely don't trust that yet, rather want to make sure it's adjusted how it should be so I am not shooting a gun that's off.

Hope that explains it better.

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Typically there is a tool that clamps to the frame and has a small thumb-screw you crank to push the sight over a hair. I've always been a cheap bastard and just used brass punches and a piece of leather to protect the finish. But tapping it over it's easy to overshoot and have to start all over. IMHO, if you just need an adjustment and don't want to buy the tool, take it to a proper smith who has the right tools and can adjust appropriately. It might help to bring a target as an example of how far off it is.




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Typically there is a tool that clamps to the frame and has a small thumb-screw you crank to push the sight over a hair. I've always been a cheap bastard and just used brass punches and a piece of leather to protect the finish. But tapping it over it's easy to overshoot and have to start all over. IMHO, if you just need an adjustment and don't want to buy the tool, take it to a proper smith who has the right tools and can adjust appropriately. It might help to bring a target as an example of how far off it is.

Thanks Raven,

I actually tried punching it a bit but it wouldn't budge at all! I was thinking of just getting something like the tool in that photo made as I have a few good connections at a shop, etc., but I was more concerned about getting it done right in terms of it being sighted for how it should actually shoot, not just centered.

My aim is definitely not good enough to get some sort of sample of whether it's off or by how much, so I wanted to just get it done by a gun shop so I know it's sighted/aimed as it should be.

Is it generally a good idea to simply center the sights and learn from there, or do guns generally shoot slightly off center and need the sights moved for that particular gun?

Again, I'm just trying to do this the right way, whatever that is .

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You need to fire the weapon from a solid rest ..... repeatedly and see where it actually hits relative to the sights.

Having a couple people shoot it to rule out the user is helpful.


Or clamp it to a bench to be sure it cannot move.


Ranges have varying rules on this, check first.



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You need to fire the weapon from a solid rest ..... repeatedly and see where it actually hits relative to the sights.

Having a couple people shoot it to rule out the user is helpful.


Or clamp it to a bench to be sure it cannot move.


Ranges have varying rules on this, check first.



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Agreed - Sand bag it to help remove you as the problem.

A really good smith will shoot/adjust/shoot/re-adjust, but those are the expensive smiths. Most will just bump it over and hand it back to you assuming close is close enough.

If you have someone who can cobble something like the tool above, then you can take it to the range and do your own shoot/adjust/shoot/adjust.

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Your gun, your eyes, your call.
I don't care if 100 people shoot your gun, if you are grouping consistantly in either direction then teh sights should be adjusted to your eyes. Period.
What I will agree with is the fact that it (your gun) should be fired from a steady rest in order to ensure that it is the sights causing your shots to patern left or right from point of aim and not your technique.

depending on teh gun it may be red/blue loctite holding them in place or the dovetail may just be that tight and unless you have it secured in a proper vise or jig the force your using to drift the sight isnt enough.
In addition to that, to get the rear sight exactly where it should be for your eyes requires you to make this adjustment while your shooting. You just cant take it to a bench, drift it over a few MM and call it a day. Generaly speaking for a combat/defense gun with fixed sights people see where it groups and compenstae for horizontal variance. It's a combat gun, not a target gun.

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Thanks all. I'll try to shoot as best as possible and bring along an experienced friend next time, to shoot from a rest and see if I notice a pattern. I stupidly didn't even notice this until my recent trip to the range and after a good 600 rnds fired over last few months.

Any recommendations for a good gun smith who can sight it properly?

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Please don't take my post as a bash. I'm seriously trying to help. Rinks in Lockport has always taken great care of me. Call them and see what they say.

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Please don't take my post as a bash. I'm seriously trying to help. Rinks in Lockport has always taken great care of me. Call them and see what they say.

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I hope I didn't sound like I was taking your post as bashful, because I wasn't at all. I took a couple photos to try and capture how the rear sight looks. It's about 1mm or so to the left of the gun, so I'm not sure if that's how it was sighted at the factory as I'm not sure how much it's normally moved for slight adjustment, or if it's just a mistake. Thanks for the recommendation by the way, but first I'll try to find someone closer to me first as those guys are about 50-60 mins away from me. Here are the couple pics...




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I'm usually an asshole, just making sure you didn't think I was. This time.

I would first contact the manufacture. Perhaps they will consider this warranty work and move your sight at no charge.
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Re: Need to adjust rear sight on my SA XD...

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I would first contact the manufacture. Perhaps they will consider this warranty work and move your sight at no charge.
Good call. I was going to say the same thing as long as it was purchased within a reasonable time frame and your the original owner they should help out or lead you to someone close by. Good luck



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^^ I'm a 2nd owner unfortunately and the gun had probably about 400 rnds through it when I bought it. Now it's probably at around 1500-1600. I'll probably still email Springfield Armory and ask what they think based on the pictures, that's a great idea.

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If you're going thru all this trouble, might as well upgrade the sights
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Who uses sights on a carry weapon?
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Im going to take a stab and agree with most have another shoot it. You actually might be the issue on how you hold it, or something happening when you fire it on your end as try as the rest said from a rested position in a clamp.

how about posting a target so to see where its all landing

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If you're going thru all this trouble, might as well upgrade the sights
I thought about it, but I really don't need upgraded sights, I suck enough using these .

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Im going to take a stab and agree with most have another shoot it. You actually might be the issue on how you hold it, or something happening when you fire it on your end as try as the rest said from a rested position in a clamp.

how about posting a target so to see where its all landing
I think you missed the point here... there's no issue other than the sights are not on center and I want to make sure they are sighted correctly. It might be in the right place for this gun, but I don't have enough experience or capability to test that it is sighted correctly. Hope that makes sense.

I'm going to try the rest and clamped shooting next time before going to a gun smith to check the gun.

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