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Beretta 92 or 96?

OK pistol boys,

I've been kicking around getting a new side arm this spring. I'm beginning to shy away from a new .45. Although if I change my mind again I'd probably go with a Kimber. I've been kicking around going with a 92. If I go off the deep end I was thinking of the Elite II. Does anyone have experience with the Beretta? Do you like it? Is the Elite II worth the extra $$$? What about 9mm vs. 40 S&W? Finally, has anyone messed with Crimson Trace LaserGrips? Beretta has a 96 factory stock with LaserGrips. http://www.crimsontrace.com/beretta/revolind.html
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GAT is having a factory demo days the last weekend in Feb. and I want to have some direction by then as they are talking about some stong sale prices and I'm sure it will be a mob scene.

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I have a 92 berretta that I bought off Ken. Out of all my friends guns that I've shot I like it the best. Super smooth, very accurate, and never jams.




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Get a h&k for a 9 mm, beretta is nice, but a h&k is better in its ergos, and features of maintaining a good grip weld and drop the mag, engage the saftey,decock, etc...the only thing about h&k's are you gotta buy there own lighting system that only fits on there rails, and 40 cal is nothing more then a ploy to sell guns.

The ballistic properties of a 40 are almost no different then a 9 in penetration levels, while 45 packs more of a stopper and less penetration while achieving the goal, brute stopping force without to much of over penetration.

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And for a 45 1911 based weapons are the best when it comes to a 45 unless its a socom 45. But that's a big hand full for what it is.
springfield armory and wilson combat are the best makers when it comes to the 1911 weapons, h&k cause i have handled almost every semi auto, and its the only one i will get if i went with one.
and then it would be a USP9mm.



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Yep, that's what I heard and my general impression. About the only bad thing I've heard is the factory trigger spring tends to break under heavy use. A spring kit is under $10 bucks. I just came accross a good article in this months American Handgunner. If you are interested I could scan it and email it to you.

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nahh i already know about it IF your talking about the H&K its called trigger reset and some people dont know how to pull a trigger if you can understand that.

either way, the beefer springs will help in that matter.

but ive shot maybe 4000 rounds threw a USP9mm with primer loads (i cant explain that any further sorry) but i havent seen a problem with it yet, again if we are talking about the h&k bruce.



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H&K? Oh well time to go shoot another 9.
I wasn't wild about the S&W 40 either.
I surprised you don't like the Kimber. I was pawing a Team Match II that had one of the best triggers I've seen.

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No not the H&K the 92 is supposed to eat springs. You posted when I was still replying to Tony.

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ahh i can say i ever ran into that problem, the 92fs brig, if a beerfier slide, but that about it, i went and sampled about 20 differant brigs to check slide tolerances. by far that was the best and it will hold pretty dam accurate for a good long time.

never really liked kimber, kimber is kinda like the poor mans 1911 with sub grade parts and mechining, ive handled a few not crazy about them. but thats all my personal prefferances on all that i give it on.



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Your preferences are what I'm asking for buddy.

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What ya gonna do with it basically, a competition piece, a paper pin hole puncher, a silhouette hitter?

this all comes down to which one does the job good enough to do it as well as you can hold a good POA "point of aim"



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damm tony, i almost regret selling that 9 but i know as a firend your enjoying it



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Competition with a pistol? Me? That's pretty funny. Frannkly, I don't have the time to spend on it.
The Ruger which I have to go clean after I'm done working, (Yes I'm still at it.) is the primary hole puncher.
It will serve double duty. Side arm that I hope I never need (That is why I was wondering about the LaserGrips) and range gun.

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well in that case, i suggest a peice, that fits in your hands nice, something that you can get to the mag release, and saftey single handed with the weapon that takes the least breaking of your solid hold on the firearm.

almost any gun will hit 2 inch at 30 feet. since this will be a more of a defensive tool and range play toy.

but from there if you want better accuracy, lighter trigger, we are talking more money for example hand milled rails, custom trigger actions etc. most of which is found in your upper hand gun lines.

but thats the cool thing about all these brands and types...there always something to fit the amount you want to spend and taste.



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Being a lefty I'm almost always screwed on a mag release. Otherwise, I'm back to the 92 except the grip is a little large for my hands. I want to run down a Vertec model and see if it fits better. Of course, almost any 92 will do a lot better than 2" at 30'. They can probably do that at 75'. Not that I can do that, but it is a very accurate pistol out of the box. It also fits what I want to spend on the toy.

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One word.....SIG....I shot IPSC with an out of the box 226, 25000 rounds plus, no problemo. I never liked the trigger action on any Berretta, HK's look "overly-engineered" to me bulky and Glockish. The SIG was a natural fit and pointer for me, it was like part of my hand.

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One word.....SIG....I shot IPSC with an out of the box 226, 25000 rounds plus, no problemo.
Sigs rock! Before you buy anything, seriously, shoot a Sig. The 226 is a solid piece and you would not regret it. The 220 is next on my list of purchases down the road. Not much experience with the Berettas, but from what I've heard the 92 is a nice one also. Whatever you get, shoot the hell out of it and enjoy.
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I like my Beretta 92. I got the stainless model. The thing shoots like butter no matter what Ken says

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damm tony, i almost regret selling that 9 but i know as a firend your enjoying it

Shit I love this piece, I've got about 1500 rounds through it and its been awesome to me, so much so all my friends are thinking about buying simular ones.

You guys with HK's and Sig's do need to come shooting with me, I havent shot either of those yet




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I dont know squat about handguns but Brians Baretta did feel nice...... no matter what Ken says !

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While running a shoooting range in the Navy, I shot the baretta's and the sig's. I have never shot the HK's.

The baretta will take a pounding, lots of rounds through it. We use to take 50 guns out and ran 7 departments of minimum 90 people through them at 30 rounds per person and they held up well. Of course we had to switch out guns for barrel cooling. All we did is cleaned them, oiled them, and very rarely changed a spring. The cool thing about them is that the are so easy to fix and get parts for. The only time the baretta would start jamming is if you have a bad magazine or the spring inside the gun is waring, not allowing the slide assembly to come back fast enough and the bullets would double feed in barrel.

The sig is more comfortable and lighter, depending on size. We the instructors carried those because of no safety's and they wont take the abuse the baretta can. The firing on the sig and baretta is real smooth but if you are in a double action fire on the baretta ( first shot of course) you have to pull back longer making your shot go down and to your writing hand side.

I personally liked the sig better because of the consistancy of firing patern and shortness of trigger pull, but I like the baretta for durability. If I were a cop I would use the baretta because I know if it gets wet or muddy it will still fire. plus it has a double safety so I wint shoot myself in the toe, I'm clumsy
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Yup I dont like guns with out safety's. I like the safty's on the berretta a lot.




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hey dont get me wrong, i still like beretta, and it is a reliable pistol and a work horse.



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9mm = pee shooter

If you're not a cop and you're going to buy a hand gun get the one of the big dogs - It might cost a bit more to shoot but they are fun and loud. If your looking for high accuracy go with small cals. like long barrel .22s. If you're looking for home protection just buy a sawed off.

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Hey thanks guys!
Well for sure I have to go to demo days at GAT. I'm still leaning towards the 92, but I'll shoot the SIG and the HK before I purchase. I do like my weapons to be bomb proof and the 92 is about as close as you can get. I also like the safety and being able to shift the Mag release for a lefty. Right now GAT has a Desert Storm "special edition" in the case on sale for $585 that is tempting me. It's hard to go wrong at that price. That leaves me plenty of moola to spend on a trigger job if I want.

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