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I'd like to try my hand at shooting. I did a shotgun class with my dad a few years back and of course shot my fair share of bb guns, but other than that I'm a bit wet behind the ears.

I'd like a bolt-action rifle with a scope. I guess I'm just a sniper wannabe. Any suggestions? This is only for target shooting.
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1st question is do you have an FOID card.
If you answered yes the next question you have to answer is what is the PRIMARY purpose for your rifle. And don't say you want one that can do it all, it doesnt work that way. If you want a bolt action rifle to hunt with thats one thing if you want a LONG range target gun thats another... so decide.
3rd - are you willing to pay for what you want? If you think $500 all together is gonna get you 1/2" groups at 100 yards your kidding yourself. Remember HIGH QUALITY, Ammunition, Optics and the firearm itself need to be factored in...Don't Forget accesories like Bi-pods, check pieces and Cleaning supplies....Oh ya...Cleaning supplies are top dollar too.
I'm not trying to scare you off but when you say you want to get into it you really have to define how deep you want and can realy afford to go.
I'm sure none of us here would have a problem helping you out though!!!!

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Re: Interested

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This is only for target shooting.
I'm not spending more than $200-300. I don't wanna go nuts and find out this isn't something I'm that interested in.

The FOID card comes in August when I turn 21. My parents are anti-gun so they won't sign my registration. I'm just trying to do some research now since I literally don't know shit about guns.
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18 is the cut off for buying long guns. It's kinda funny that if your under 21 you cant buy a hand gun but as long as your over 18 and got the money you could buy a .50BMG Barrett.
But anyway, you can get a foid card under 21 as long as a parent or legal gaurdian signs off on it, which in your case doesnt sound like it.
If you want to be under 300 dollars in my opinion you have about 3 choices. Either a .In a bolt action gun, either a used Ruger K77 or an Anshutz. These guns will be alone between 250-400. You still have to buy a scope though.
If that still is to high you want to be in Savage line-up.Savage makes the best .22lr under $250 in my opinion They have a MKII laminent model that is nice(in that price range) Yet again you still have to scope it out and I would say that will be a challenge there on a budget. Bushnell, Simmons. I'm not sure. I havent realy used scopes under $500 bucks.
The reason I recommend .22lr is because.....
1) Cost of ammo... you will be able to shot alot without breaking your bank. This is like getting seat time on a bike, if you cant shot alot you will not gain the skills needed to be a good shooter.
2) Ranges......unlike larger caliber rifles the .22lr can be shot in indoor ranges which usualy only allow handgun caliber only. Unless you want to go to JR shooting sports all the time and spend $30 just to walk on there rifle range.
Again, if you don't have a place to shot at how will you get better.
3) Accuracy............. .22LR is an extremely accurate round out to a certain distance. You will learn basic skills and be able to shot dime size groups with a .22lr. When your ready to go farther out than the .22 can take you you'll be raedy to shell out big money for a better gun. That's if you even enjoy shooting still...which leads me to my final point
4) Investment..... your gun is an investment. depending on how you treat it and what you have, guns do not depreciate that much unless you beat the shit out of them or just don't know how to keep up with it.(A real sniper would never negelct his rifle)
You may one day decide shooting is not for you and go to sell your rifle..... that's when this will come to play. Condition will be the diffrence between you Making money, Breaking even, or Loosing your ass off. With inflation and mfg. cost increasing every year a gun you buy today for $250, may cost $300 the next year.


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No, I follow. Thanks for the good info. The .22lr sounds like what I'm looking for
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Looks like a nice rifle, fairly inexpensive. What kind of scope should I be looking at for this?

Ok, I should probably clear this up now. I see that this store offers this model rifle in a left handed version. I'm left handed and my left eye is my dominant eye, do I want to use the left handed version? This may seem like a dumb question, but I have no idea what the difference between the 2 is.

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Left hand Vs. Right.....

The diffrence is you'r gonna pay more for left hand because there are fewer of us out there.
On a lefty gun the bolt charging handle is on the left side of the gun so you can manipulate the bolt with your trigger hand. Also your check rest will be available for your left check to rest on. Some also have palm swells that are contoured for the hand you will be using. Vice versa for a Righty.
when it come down to resale it will be hardr to sell a lefty gun because of what it is. Most lefties by right handed guns and compensate untill they know they will be buying a rifle they will be keeping forever.

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why do you want a bolt action? They are inherently more accurate but unless you are going for MOA groups they can take away from the fun if your just plinking. Also what distances are you going to shooting at, what are you shooting at?

Start with the iron sight, then if you want to shoot distance for accuracy then get a scope. if you want to shoot shorter distance but want faster target acquisition, like whhen plinking, get a red dot, you can get one as cheap as $35 that will keep its zero and will last

I woould recommend a Ruger 10/22. They are accurate and there is a huge aftermarket so you can customize your rifle anyway you like

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1/2" groups at 100 yards
So that's a good shot group? The last time I was at the range I had my shots grouped in about a 1" circle at 300 yards with iron sights.

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PJ......did you see Tony's Savage 17?????? I couldn't recommend a better gun for what your trying to do.

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1" groups at 300 yards, I'd like to see that. when whould you like to go to the range?

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I'd like a bolt-action rifle with a scope. I guess I'm just a sniper wannabe. Any suggestions?
This is what he asked this is what I answered, he didn't say plinking, he didnt say semi-auto.
Never seen a sniper wanna be without a scope.
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1" groups at 300 yards, I'd like to see that. when whould you like to go to the range?
I did that last year at the M-16 range. Don't know if I could do that with a civilian rifle, but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.

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PJ you should buy Ponch's ruger 22, or go get a savage like mine. the 17 is much more accurate than the 22.

I've got a 93r17 savage bolt actin in real tree camo, witht he nikon scope, the whole thing was like 370.00 then I added a harris bipod for about 60 bucks. Perfect target and small varmint gun.




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Re: Re: Interested

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This is what he asked this is what I answered, he didn't say plinking, he didnt say semi-auto.
Never seen a sniper wanna be without a scope.
Answer the questions with fact not opinion
Take it easy. I was merely offering an alternative, not questioning your advise

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Sorry, I wrote that post at 5:30 am and was not in the best of moods.....Sorry

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The .17 is a great gun, the only thing that worries me is that it sounds like he's on a budget and I'd like to see him get someting he can shoot alot of. I think 50 rounds of .17 is like $11.00.
That's 500 rounds of .22.

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What is the size difference between a .22 and the 10/22? Would the 10/22 qualify as being small enough to shoot at an indoor range? I don't necessarily need a bolt action, I just like the feel of it I guess as opposed to just pulling the trigger, but I'm not locked into anything. Is the ammo cheap for a 10/22 like the .22?

500 rounds for $11 sounds pretty good to me

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10/22 is Ruger's model of a .22lr rifle
so yes it shoots the same .22lr that is 550 rounds for $10

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PJ 22lr is the way to go for you now. If we have another group shooting i will bring my mossin, 7mm, and my at&t for ya to shoot if you like.

Its best to try before you buy. Kinda like a car. Go into the store and litterly "feel" out the weapon first.

Once you get the card we will see about setting up a class for people in you exact boat.

How does that sound Ken? I KNOW we can bring a W I D E variety of weapons and instruct those that want to be taught the basic principals.

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Good news. I talked to my dad this afternoon and he'd like to go to a range with me. The real story why he's been anti-gun the whole time is because my mom is and well you know how that goes...
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Kelly a class sounds fantastic.

My dad is filling out the FOID registration as we speak for both of us, I guess he's just as excited about this as I am

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Nice. Going to the range is a great father and son sport. Now get your mom on board on how this is a great opprotunity for you to spend quality time with your dad and a chance to learn responsibility...

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