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Lets talk AR-15's

Whos got them, what kind and how much do they cost? been thinking about adding one to the collection, or maybe a surplus AK-47




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Hey Tony, I have this old TV.

Can we blast it to hell with some of your Artilary?
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I have a VERY nice AR-15 (Armalite is my personal preference. )Set up unbelievibly accurate. Ask my wife. She put a hole in the "P" of the wrod pepsi on a can at almost 300 yards. Mind you she has never shot one before so i think thats a pretty good shot.

what would you like to know. it is a 5.56 MM nato or .223 caliber.
The legnth of the weapon is typically 39.63 inches and weighs 8.8 pounds with a 30 rnd. clip
Has a maximum effective range of a point target of 1,804 feet and an area target of 2625 feet.
The muzzle velocity is 2,800 feet per second with a sustained rate of 12-15 per minute. in a semi-auto state the average is 45 rounds per minute. The typical magazine capacity is 20 rounds but availible is 30 and a 99 drum.
To adjust sites it is 1 click equals 1.1 inch at 100 yards.

Here is the nomenclature if memory serves-- the m-16/ar15 is a lightweight, air cooled, gas operated, shoulder fired weapon, capable of firing single, semi-automatic, or three round bursts with the military version.

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Your gonna get a ton of opinions between brands.... Like chevy Vs ford Vs BMW... Blah, Blah....
The big 3 are Armalite, Colt and Bushmaster. Anything less than those to me is........ my opinion. AK47 is the poor mans AR.
More about that later.

I have Armalites and Colts..... Bushmaster is like the Chevys and Fords if you want to make that comparison
Colts are like Cadillac, cost a ton but could have used the money for something else. Armalite always gets my vote b4 the other 2.

There are 2 basic lenths Carbine with a 16" barrel and Standard with a 20" barrel. They do make some target models with 24" barrels. You also get to pick the type of sight system..an A2 model is the traditional looking AR. It has a carryhandle on which the rear sight is mounted. An A4 model is what is know as a Flat Top and optics have to be mounted to. Whether it be a scope or a removable handle.
From there it is more cosmetic than fuctional. You can get fake collapsible stock furniture, diffrent type hand gaurds and so on.
How familiar are you with AR's so far?
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Hey Tony,

For the AR's you will save a ton of $$$ if you build it yourself...pick out the parts you want, pick up a manual and go for it. You will want to read up before you do a build of any kind. I could type about this for an hour, but check out www.ar-15.com and www.falfiles.com for the best info out there. If you don't have much experience with them, go to a gun show or a shop with a big variety, and have in mind what you want to build (or what you want it to do). Form will follow function. Keep in mind that the 5.56 is not a sniper round, so if you are looking to build a match rifle, check out the FN. Let us know what you decide!!

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Keep in mind that the 5.56 is not a sniper round,AK's are fun, plenty to be had for cheap $.
If you want to go sniper round then i would recommend the 308. but don't get me wrong......given the correct application and equiptment the 5.56 can definitly reach out and touch someone..............

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Tony,

5.56(.223) will take you out with precision to about 400-500 yards.

.308 will take you out to 800-1000 yards.

These are with accuracy, the rounds can go out even further than that.

Armalite makes an Ar in .308. Thats an AR-10
Those are on dispaly at the museum too

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Here is the nomenclature if memory serves-- the m-16/ar15 is a lightweight, air cooled, gas operated, shoulder fired weapon, capable of firing single, semi-automatic, or three round bursts with the military version.
You forgot the empty weight and the weight with a full 30 round magazine and sling.

I can't count how many times I repeated that during a board. I'm impressed you still remember it.

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Yeah me too! Its been awhile but after a couple tries i even remember the cycle of operation!!

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When you measure the weight of the magazine are you taking into consideration if it is loaded with SS109, ball ammo, frangibles... come on how anal do you want to be?
Is all the ammo LC? same batch? huh huh....

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When did they start with the 3 round bursts??? I don't remember that. (USAR 1971-1977) Maybe they just gave us reservists "play" M16's.

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If I remember right it was the late 80's.
You can still find 4 position M16's in the filed though.
Grunts won't have them though!!

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When did they start with the 3 round bursts??? I don't remember that. (USAR 1971-1977) Maybe they just gave us reservists "play" M16's.
Seriously Chuck?
I just assumed you are asking an honest question cause i thought they had the M-1 Garand when you were in.

I cant place the exact year but i think the major conversion was in the late 80's early 90's. Them vets in Viet Nam burned a lot of rounds and on full auto the barrel rises and becomes very innacurate even when laying down suppressive fire!

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And b4 it's asked full auto was taken away because it is not an effective form of offense. It is very inaccurate and wastes ammunition. Full auto is used as a suppresive tactic in advancing forward or keeping the enemy at bay while you are regrouping. Generaly it is found with the SAW(squad automatic weapon) units in the armed forces. And even these have burst capabilities.

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beat me to that post Lab!

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*I just assumed you are asking an honest question cause i thought they had the M-1 Garand when you were in.*

At least you didn't say round ball ammo.

*And b4 it's asked full auto was taken away because it is not an effective form of offense.*

I always thought it would be a good way to run out of ammo real fast at the worst possible time. And yeah, them barrells get hot. And so do the casings comin' out of the chamber. I was a lefty shooter and the shell casings had a way of bouncing off walls and poles and finding their way down the back of my neck. Ouch. I shoot rifles righty now.

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I bushmaster carbons are real cool. extremely light around 4lbs and still very little recoil. Bushmaster also has great customer service, I not sure either way with the colt or Armalite.

Also HK is making a M4 with a piston gas operated
Supposed to go 20,000 rounds without cleaning or lube

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Tony, how about an AR15 hand gun. they're called OA98. One of my buddys is getting his at the end of march. Cant wait.
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wow who drilled all the holes in it. Bushmaster makes on also.
terrible ballistics, but kinda neat for a toy

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Kens unofficial report:

i have shot every maker of the AR's15 in CQB rapid deployment and when it comes down to deployment with small arms...the AR's have there benefits and draw backs..no matter what they are long and cumbersome the good thing about the 223 round in CQB is IF!!!!!!! you miss a target your back stop, what ever that my be, the round will tumble and is more forgiving on ballistics penetration compared to other rounds topically used in rural environments.

if you guys wanna go highspeed low drag, its a MP5 baby!

AR's are good bush guns.

Also as far as a man stopper (I have seen 1st hand) the ballistic values on a 223 are for shit, dump 5-10 then move on..thank god they delvopefd a . 308 version...now that's where its at!

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My buddy's neighbor who may or may not be government may or may not have let me play with something that may or may not have been an MP5.


That was definetly a cool toy. But seeing as how I'm really not planning a close quarters attack the long gun should be just fine.




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And a really MP5 "may or may not" cost you a fortune

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And a real MP5 "may or may not" cost you a fortune

That may or may not be correct.




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I have an AR-15 Shorty carbine with scope on it, I might be willing to sell it. I have the "assualt case" a number of 30 round mags, I forget how many boxes of ammo (223 UMC) reloading dies. I kind of "took" the gun because someone owned me $$$. I'm a shotgunner at heart.

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i got first dibs..rick is it a preban, etc...lets talk in private sometime.

i am looking for another for this state.



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i got first dibs..rick is it a preban, etc...lets talk in private sometime.

i am looking for another for this state.

Hey wait a minute, I asked him about that gun on our last hunting trip.


then again more than likly I cant afford it, so its probably yours anyway




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Tony, How serious and soon are you looking to get behind an AR?

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All depends on price my friend, What do you have? I'm all about getting a good deal.




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for what its worth i am looking for a 95% or better prebanned ar with the front lug for the grenade launcher. brand almost doesnt matter.



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