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Recoil ruduction

OK I like to shoot clays as often as possible. I need to loweer the kick on this gun.

Ponch??? anyone???

Its a remington 870 synth. 12 gauge

I already have the R3 recoil pad.

So now what, Do they make a choke with a muzzle brake on the end, or how about the murcury tube that goes in the stock, will that work? What do you guys think.

I'm really getting sick of looking like tyson punched me in the shoulder.




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You already got that big pad on that thing....how much more do you need????

One of these days I'm going to buy that Stoeger. That thing recoiled less than yours even without a big pad on it. I'm not sure you can do anything more about yours.....Maybe try some different kinds of shells.

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Its not that mine even hurts, it just leaves a big old bruise

the thing is I love the gun, I hate to have to go out and buy an auto just for that reason. It would be cool as hell to do some mods and be able to shhot it all day because it had no kick.




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Its not that mine even hurts, it just leaves a big old bruise
Come over to my house and I'll rough you up twice a week. Before long you won't be such a wouse.

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Couple of diffrent options here.
Shooting clays should never"beat you up".
I would 1st look at what type of ammo you are shooting.

Clays targets should be shot with #7 0r #8 shot.
1 1/8oz of lead MAX. LOW BRASS.
Most time people take their hunting loads or whatever they have laying around to shoot and it is way more than needed.
If you want to have a relaxed time at the range I would think about investing in a little bit better ammo. Don't get me wrong about the Wally World special stuff, it's cheap and gets the job done most of the time but its not the best.
I would invest $5 a week and get Winchester AA Target loads. You figure $5 a week because if we go shoot clays 1 time a month you will have your 100 rounds.
Here are the main diffrences between Wally World Cheap Ammo and winchester AA or any name brand ammo.

1) The shot itself.
The shot in cheaper ammo is not uniform, it is usualy deformed and inconsistant in size.
2) Gun powder.
The gun powder in cheap ammo is faster burning that way they can use LESS than in quality ammo and thus keeping the price down.
3) WAD
wad construction very flimsy, causing pattern out of the barrel to be inconsistant.
4) Hull
Hull comstruction is poor.

all this equals cheaper prices to the consumer but also decreases quality. We all knew that trade off was going to be there.

You mentioned a ported barrel or choke.....
won't help with RECOIL. Do not confuse recoil with muzzle flip.
Recoil is an effect of physics. As we learned in school ever action has an equal and oposite reaction. Thus the more weight of shot you put out of the end of the barrel the more energy will be dirrected back at your shoulder!!! Thus the reason I say no more than 1 1/8 oz of shot for target loads. To score a hit in clays all you have to do is nick the target. It's not a pheasant that needs to be "put down". It's cool to absolutly powder a clay but that will come naturaly as your skill increases with less lead flying out of the barrel. NOW THATS SKILL!!! And that WILL NOT happen if you beat your shoulder to a pulp[ evertime you shoot.

A ported barrel or ported choke will only help with your follow up shot by keeping the muzzle lower in relationship to your line of sight. This is a mute point if you only need one shot.

A mercury tube or mechanical recoil pad may be what you are looking for AFTER you try diffrent ammo. You need to rememer too that you are shooting with a pump gun which means you will absorb every ounce of energy that a shell puts out. A semi auto is either gas operated or recoil operated, both of which detract from the effect of recoil because they utilize some of it's properties to make the gun function.

An over and under gun also is as bad as a pump, but I've never seen anyone shoot one with anything less than AA loads in a match.

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Soooooooo what your saying is I should stop using #6 high brass loads like I have been

on the quality issue I usually use winchester. I used 3 boxes of #6 high brass saturday. so that would explain the amount of punishment my shoulder took?




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on the quality issue I usually use winchester. I used 3 boxes of #6 high brass saturday. so that would explain the amount of punishment my shoulder took?
LOL!! Yep.....Now just launch a couple slugs, then #6's, and then try #8's. You should be good to go then!

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try shooting 150, 3inch mag slugs withien 3 hours

LOL, what the hell are you doing that your doing that???




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LOL, what the hell are you doing that your doing that???
Trying to compensate for other things!!!


#6 high brass........................ WTF are you trying to prove?

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LOL, what the hell are you doing that your doing that???

he just likes the big flames that come out of the barrel.


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he just likes the big flames that come out of the barrel.


(In my best Beavis voice) fire.....fire.....yeah....yeah....fire.

Hahahahaha


Ok damn now I got to go buy smaller ammo and get back out there. Mike get the launcher loaded up




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Ok damn now I got to go buy smaller ammo and get back out there. Mike get the launcher loaded up

Me too. I was using some high bras rounds even with those old guns.

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I'm up for it.....when we going again Mike????

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Tony...are you sure you are holding it right? Makes a big differnce where your wedge it. Try it a little higher up.
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I hold it with one hand, straight out in front of me terminator style.




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try shooting 150, 3inch mag slugs withien 3 hours

Try a box of my home loaded .300win mags. Makes the 3" slugs look tame
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I would also practice mounting the gun on your shoulder in the correct spot. I notice if I dont pay attention to where I mount it.. i can definately feel a bigger kick or a sting afterwards. A sore shoulder may be normal but bruising is usually a sign of an incorrectly mounted gun.

Ill see if I can get away this Sat morning again. Ill let you know.

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We'll do side by side for you.
On the left is Wally World Winchester Universal ammo, about $15.00 a box of 100. On the right Winchester Super X.
I had already taken the Universal apart for another demo but I will try and get another.

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Side by side
Notice the low and high brass

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next we'll take a look from the top down

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notice the consistancy of the shape of the shot, this is high quality

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after shot is dumped we can see the "WAD"
No jokes please

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extracting wad

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This is the complete WAD, notice the "shock absorber" at the rear which helps buffer between pressure and heat

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This is how the shot takes a ride out of the barrel

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