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Who here owns a fire arm or shotgun for HOME SECURITY?

OK guys no kidding in here this is for real.

I am wanting to see...how many of us normal citizens owns either a hand gun or shot gun that they use for home security. To protect yourself, your family, your loved ones.
besides that is 70% of the reason we have the right to bare arms.

Now...the ones that do...REALLY analyze...will you protect yourself with it from an intruder into your home from some criminal that's either going to kill your loved ones or maybe worst things before they kill a loved one.
WILL you use it...or just be another victim of home invasion that the home owner found dead with firearm in the bed side dresser!
because they were not aware how to defend them selfs under this hightened state of emergency.


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OK this answer may be a bit confusing. Yes I own firearms, and yes I would use it for home security and would never think twice about cappin' somebody who broke into my home. That being said, I'm not sure I am able to leave my guns accessible enough to make a difference. The best I can do is have my gun locker in a bedroom closet. If I can get it out and throw a clip in it before an intruder gets to me I will. My problem is there are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to many kids that come in and out of my house. Alot of my friends kids are there alot and I need to make sure my guns are locked away. I don't trust myself to leave a loaded gun under the bed or whatever and lock it up if kids are around. It would only take one time that I forget to cause a tragedy.

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I look forward to a chance at legally shooting someone who's invading my home. I'll also make sure I won't get sued
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Yep, we've got plenny firepower, and well within arms' reach... even at 3 a.m. And we've both no qualms about doing what's necessary. Of course, we have no children etc. to worry about accessing our sh*t anyway.

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BTW, I wish all gun owners had the common sense of Crazy.
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I'll also make sure I won't get sued

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Good, I like the repsonses..more so then I got a gun..but more so the interest to self protection with it..and the interest to do something SMART with it. Then to get robbed is 1 thing..to have someone inter your home that can and VERY WELL could do bodily harm to you or your family. you guys are above the most people that would rather just die.

I also see some concerns..yes I would..but don't have a plan of attack if something happens.


NOW PLEASE keep talking about the subject and so forth.
Also too people that want to bare arms to protect themselves but have had the though..well I don't know mentality please post as well.


BUT for those that have and will protect them sells from such a thing.
Ask your self something.

ARE you good enough? do you posses the experance!, do you know how to move with your firearm..your not shoting at paper targets that dont move or think..OR SHOT BACK TO KILL,do you have the NERVE and brainset to deal with something like this and a plan to deal with home intruders...in the dark, not knowing where they are..WHO they are and IF they are ARMED!
mind you this is usually when you are sleeping its late and you just got woken up..now you have to access whats going on..go to your plan, alert all the needed aid you can, and more so...venture out from under your covers..when there God knows how many in the house in the dark and you and your wife are freaking if they have found the kids
cause you will be alone from 10minutes -45 minutes all by yourself. you can guess what could happen



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I look forward to a chance at legally shooting someone who's invading my home. I'll also make sure I won't get sued

Unregistered, cheap revolvers are always found near invaders dead bodies. Go figure.

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this is the only quote that you guys need to remember..(please note, i make no implications to your actions am just voicing my opinion)


2 in the chest 1 in the head, thats the rule we go by.



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HEY guyS...STOP and please dont reply in here with sneak tactics...you DO NOT want the trouble if the day comes.

lets keep it clean and professional



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There are guns in the house. I will use them.

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BTW, I wish all gun owners had the common sense of Crazy.

Thanks man I don't have any kids but when and if the day comes it will be a big issue for me whether my kids friends parents have guns and are they responsible with them. None of my friends fear their kids in my home and I don't want to have that fear when the time comes either.

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Protection is within Arms reach, however if you do shoot someone in your home, it has to be a threatening situation, or you should use a non lethal form of defense first. There could be problems if you place 3 nice shots in the head. Premeditated, not in a state of distress. I've heard of the families of crooks that have been killed breaking into a house that sued the people who shot them. Go figure, all I know is that the Glock holds alot of rounds, and I'll use them all if necessary. Night sites are nice.... If that doesn't work, the SW 686 has a scope mount on it. By the way, anyone know of any reasonably priced ar15's around for sale, I tried GAT... I've been looking for one since I left the Marines.. Of course I have a gun card too...
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There are a number of weapons in the house. Exactly what I would rather not discuss. While I don't mind going shooting with friends, it does take awhile before I'm real comfortable with letting anyone else know what I own.
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sure....someone can TRY to sue you...and IF it isnt thrown out, or not even token to court, ...it is your right..to protect yourself from an intruder armed or un armed.
and the simple and plain threat to protect yourself from bodyly harm..is the intrusion of a unwanted and unjustifabile BREAK in...forced intry untruder.
it is legal to break the law as long as it was to prevent death,bodyly harm, or possibly harm to another human.
thats the law.
from what i read into it.

i am not gonna go into legal issues...just wanted to see your guys thoughts and feelings on the whole thing
but i know some stuff too



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Let them sue. At least me and my family are still alive

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That is so true!!!
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Yeah...Surprise, you just got a 40 cal BLK TALON in your head...
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Does it have to do with different types of CANS?
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Note: I live alone, so If I had family, I'd keep all my firearms locked, in a vault, but now...

I keep my NATO-issue 9mm Beretta with a loaded pre-Brady Bill clip close at hand. I have it hidden in a very good place, but, like Brian, I don't keep it so accessible that it would make a difference in a home intrusion.

I'm not comfortable, keeping, say, the gun(s) near my bed (especially after seeing the movie Mulholland Drive). I have consciously realized, that if I am faced with the situation, where I have to access my 9mm, that I WILL have to use you it or it will be used on me. So, the question I ponder to myself at times, is do I use firearms as my last line of defense, in my home? The knee-jerk reaction is to say, well, hell yeah!, but this not the movies, this is real life, and if you pull the trigger, the expectation is that you will take a life. Of course, in the endgame, I prefer that it be the scum that invades my sanctuary and not myself.

I guess what I am saying is...it is a responsibility that is not to be taken lightly. My two cents.

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I'm with Crazy on this. I've got a 13, 9 and 2 year old, plus the neighborhood kids rolling through the house. Everything is unloaded under double lock and key. I'm more concerned about the wrong person getting shot than self defence.

Of course, if I do get to a weapon and take to capping a bad guy. I'm pulling till I hear clicks, then reloading and start to look for his buddy. Dead guys don't sue and can't defend themselves in court. If some asshole breaks into my house, by definition I'm feeling very threatened. I don't know if he is armed or not. Nor do I know his intentions. I'm not taking any chances with the lives of my family. Fuck him to hell and back.

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One other thing, too. I have not zero'ed my 9mm and must realize that my aim has been pretty shitty with that gun, at the range...R1_Pilot can attest to this. Granted small-quarter combat/defense is a HELL of lot different from the range.

My real fear is that the firearm will be turned against me, if I should not use it correctly.

Shit, the more I think about, I should just keep a baseball bat near the bed.

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OK guys...back to the last question about do you know's, and how to's.

I see like of course most people having the protection and near easy access while COMPLETELY be safe proof from kids and yet be fast and assayable is a concern.
thats a GOOD #1 issue to address, later


OK now try to answer that other question please.



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Ken you know what I have Interesting topic. They are all locked away in a vault that is readily accessible. I keep trigger or bolt locks on everything, I keep extra ammo separate, and hide the keys away from the vault. The scatter gun is always loaded but I keep a trigger lock on it. I installed a couple of those small fluroescent light by the vault so that I can see what I am doing. I have been looking around for a mini-vault with a slient keypad to keep closer for just the handgun. I'm prepared, but living in a ranch style house, if the burlgar is already in the house it would be tough to be ready.

That's why I have two big dogs....they hear EVERYTHING and provide ample warning.
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I am a pastor and have had many discussions on wether what is best to do in these situations. I have come to the conclusion that it is ok to shoot a person braking into your home that is about to attack your loved ones. I do also beleive that if i have the opportunity to get the ones i love out without hurting the robber than i'd rather do that. The things i have in my house are only earthly possesions and yes i care about them but i do realize i can always buy more.

on that note: i do own about 15 guns mainly collectors items but my citori shotgun that i use for trap shooting is sitting in my closet ready just in case as well.

please understand i'm not in any way saying we shouldn't shoot someone coming into the house but if the situation allows it then i'd rather not (just my opinion).
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