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Handgun recommendations?

Hey guys and gals,

I am heading to Megasports tonight to look at some handguns, and I was just looking for some recommendations on your favorites that I may want to look at.

It would be a gun used for: Target shooting at the range, home protection, and making rap videos. I'm looking to stay under $400, so what do you think are some guns I should take a look at? Thanks for any input.

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First hand gun Sean? I would pick a revolver...Taurus to keep in your budget...get a 357 for home defense and shot 38 for practice..357 Magnum Revolver Model 65...brand spanking new just over 400 bills....or look for a used S&W.

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Can't get much for under the $400 mark out the door, I'd hold off a while until you have about $550-650, that price point opens up the selection quite a bit. If you're looking for a solid albeit simple piece $500-600 OTD:

Springfield Armory 1911 GI
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Any of the above would be great starter pistols. If you take home defense out of the picture, buy a Walther P22 or similar, cheap fun, you'll learn the basics, etc. Otherwise stick with a 9mm/.40

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Depends on what you want to spend every time you go to the range. I would buy a few weapons, now that you are living out by us, you wil need the following:

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but seriously, I would suggest a .22 if you want to shoot a lot. Ammo is cheap, next up if you really want something bigger would be a 9mm, ammo is decently priced but it has doubled in the last year or two due to the war.




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The first one will be the "home protection" gun as well, so I will stick with 9mm-.40 until my fiance gets her FOID. Then, I will probably pick up a .22 for us.

Revolvers are not out of the picture (although they don't look as cool in the rap video part). I used to shoot a S&W .357 revolver. I haven't shot anything more than pellet guns in about 15 years though.

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Used is fine by me. I'm heading there now. Thanks for the input everyone.

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find a nice clean S&W 686 and be done with it as the 1st gun. Trust me, you'll thank me!

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Sean you should just go to ponch's gun shop, like the rest of us.




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Ponch, I will try that one out next time. I'm pretty sure the S&W 686 is the gun I used to shoot.

Last night I shot the Sig p229 and a Springfield Armory XD-9.

They did have a used XD-9 there for like $375.00. What do you guys think about that gun? It felt good, but I need to shoot more to get a better feel and comparison. Last night I was really just relearning my aim. First box was pretty ugly and bit scattered. Probably a lot scattered compared to you guys. My second box of 9mm went a lot better as I changed a few things. Most all of my shooting was at 25ft. I did 10 rounds at 50ft and was able to get all the shots on the target, but they were scattered.

Another question... Does it make sense to practice shooting with a .22 when the gun you grab in the unlikely event of an emergency would be the 9mm or .40?

I had fun shooting last night! That place is really nice.

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Ponch, I will try that one out next time. I'm pretty sure the S&W 686 is the gun I used to shoot.

Last night I shot the Sig p229 and a Springfield Armory XD-9.

They did have a used XD-9 there for like $375.00. What do you guys think about that gun? It felt good, but I need to shoot more to get a better feel and comparison. Last night I was really just relearning my aim. First box was pretty ugly and bit scattered. Probably a lot scattered compared to you guys. My second box of 9mm went a lot better as I changed a few things. Most all of my shooting was at 25ft. I did 10 rounds at 50ft and was able to get all the shots on the target, but they were scattered.

Another question... Does it make sense to practice shooting with a .22 when the gun you grab in the unlikely event of an emergency would be the 9mm or .40?

I had fun shooting last night! That place is really nice.
Sean what was the price of the 229? I love SIGs IMHO shooting 22 will be just about useless if you are shooting a 9 or 40 for defense purposes. And why are you shooting at 50ft Most defensive shooting will be within 15 feet. I would practice clearing jams...stove pipes, etc... reloading magazines in the dark and other stress related exercises. If you have access to some out of the field, try this...set up a table...put a target up 15 feet away, leave the gun unloaded. Stand 400 hundred yards away...and SPRINT the 400 yards to the table, load the gun as quick as possible, see if you can even hit the target Remember when training for personal defense you have to put your body in stress mode.

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Ponch, I will try that one out next time. I'm pretty sure the S&W 686 is the gun I used to shoot.

Last night I shot the Sig p229 and a Springfield Armory XD-9.

They did have a used XD-9 there for like $375.00. What do you guys think about that gun? It felt good, but I need to shoot more to get a better feel and comparison. Last night I was really just relearning my aim. First box was pretty ugly and bit scattered. Probably a lot scattered compared to you guys. My second box of 9mm went a lot better as I changed a few things. Most all of my shooting was at 25ft. I did 10 rounds at 50ft and was able to get all the shots on the target, but they were scattered.

Another question... Does it make sense to practice shooting with a .22 when the gun you grab in the unlikely event of an emergency would be the 9mm or .40?

I had fun shooting last night! That place is really nice.
22 I like to shoot because I can afford to shoot for more tan 20 minutes

I took the 9 and the 44 to the range the other day and it was over 100 bucks just for the hour I was there and I was taking breaks.




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IMHO shooting 22 will be just about useless if you are shooting a 9 or 40 for defense purposes. .
I always heard these bs lines when I was a gun dealer at the monthly shows in Lake county. Whenever anyone would say a 22 won't do any good I would ask if it wouldn't hurt to get hit with a 22 mini mag? That usually ends the argument.

Anyway, a decent 1st time pistol in my opinion is a Ruger MkII...Cheap to shoot even with Minimag hollowpoints

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The problem with the ruger marks is the tedious tear down procedure. they suck to clean. I have a 1968 mark 1 that i never shoot for this reason




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Sean what was the price of the 229? I love SIGs IMHO shooting 22 will be just about useless if you are shooting a 9 or 40 for defense purposes. And why are you shooting at 50ft Most defensive shooting will be within 15 feet. I would practice clearing jams...stove pipes, etc... reloading magazines in the dark and other stress related exercises. If you have access to some out of the field, try this...set up a table...put a target up 15 feet away, leave the gun unloaded. Stand 400 hundred yards away...and SPRINT the 400 yards to the table, load the gun as quick as possible, see if you can even hit the target Remember when training for personal defense you have to put your body in stress mode.
The DOJ actual trains based on most CQB happening at 3 yards, so to have 15 you would be very lucky.

The XD is a nice gun BUT the reason I say revolver is this. Being a fixed barrel fiream it will give you greater repeatable accuracy in order for you to verify your skill level increasing. A semi auto has tolerances that it must meet in order to function thus robing some accuracy level. On another note, the revolver, chambered in .357, will alllow you to shoot not only .357 magnum but also .38spl thus giving you two power levels. With a semi, your stuck with one.
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It would be a gun used for: Target shooting at the range, home protection, and making rap videos..
While you may not impress Suge Night with a 686 I would put my $20 on you that you would hit him with the 686 and all 7 rounds he cut loose from his DE would miss you.

As far as practicing reloads at night, pass
Practicing clearing jams, no need with a reolver
Practicing loading your gun in darknes.. no good

With home defense the gun should be loaded and ready to go at the drop of a dime. If kids re a concern or you feel they may gain access then shame on you and maybe you shouldnt consider a un for home protection. I have a 19 month old and 9 year old that live in an arsenal and I have ZERO worries about them getting into something or even having a curiosity of firearms.

Although a semi auto can be a fne first gun to learn with I find that 90% of people neither have the desire nor $$$ to learn properly with one. A revolver is the best buy all arond in the 1st gun catagory.

If you want to train doing something at night learn how to dial 911 while yelling " I am calling the police and I have a gun".

Many of the points Rick mentioned are great, In a concealed carry state. This aint one of em. All these things can be learned at a later date after you have gained alot more knowledge.

One thing I will HIGHLY disagree with is that .22 are a waste. Far from it. A .22 will allow you to practice proper sight alignment, trigger control, follow through and reaquisitions of targets at a much cheaper dollar amount and with a lower level of anxiety.

Example, your 15 and dad tries to teach you to drive... in a formula 1 car. NOT GOOD. Same things, you gain all the fundamentals quicker with a .22 than you do a larger aliber firearm because you can focus greater on the task at henad instead of breaing the bank or anticipating recoil and muzzle flip or muzzle blast.

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The problem with the ruger marks is the tedious tear down procedure. they suck to clean. I have a 1968 mark 1 that i never shoot for this reason
Devote 30 minutes of time to that gun with me and you'll never feel that way again.

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Hey Ponch, is it true that i can shoot 44 special from my 44 also?




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Devote 30 minutes of time to that gun with me and you'll never feel that way again.
can you make it stop jamming all the time too?




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Thanks Rick. The Sig was out of my price range, at about 700-800 new i think. The XD-9 felt fairly similar, and the used one fell into my price range.

I agree with all the "real scenario" training stuff you posted too, but I'll hold off on that until I actually purchase one. I think I'd have some strange looks or worse if I were to blindfold myself at the range.

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Thanks Rick. The Sig was out of my price range, at about 700-800 new i think. The XD-9 felt fairly similar, and the used one fell into my price range.

I agree with all the "real scenario" training stuff you posted too, but I'll hold off on that until I actually purchase one. I think I'd have some strange looks or worse if I were to blindfold myself at the range.
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Seems to me a good analogy with bikes would be:
.22 = 250cc
9mm = 600cc
.44mag = 1000cc

From my experience (limited) the fundamentals are the same but with a larger caliber you just have to have more confidence in your abilities with the basics (and not worry about the recoil).

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I went shooting on Sunday with some friends....it's been probably over 15 years since I shot a gun...and look at my first target.

Yeah it was only 10 feet away but hey also with a 9mm. I also shot a 45 and a 357!!!

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Sportbike: 2010 Electra Glide Police Edition 103cu
Years Riding: a long time!
           
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Originally Posted by evltwinn999 View Post
Really quick

I went shooting on Sunday with some friends....it's been probably over 15 years since I shot a gun...and look at my first target.

Yeah it was only 10 feet away but hey also with a 9mm. I also shot a 45 and a 357!!!

I see me doing this a lot this winter

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