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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-18-2008, 05:20 PM Thread Starter
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For Tony, Update on DC's gun case with the Supreme Court

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/18/scotus.guns/index.html

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Supreme Court on Tuesday took up gun control, hearing arguments concerning a District of Columbia ban on handguns more than two centuries after the Second Amendment gave Americans the right to "keep and bear arms."


A line forms Monday outside the Supreme Court, where justices took up the District of Columbia's gun ban.

Lawyers for both sides tried to strike a moderate tone before the court, arguing that there was an individual right to own a weapon, but that governments could impose reasonable gun-control legislation.

Alan Gura, arguing against the ban on Tuesday before the court said the city "simply doesn't trust the people to protect themselves in their homes."

But Walter Dellinger, a lawyer for the District of Columbia, said there should be a "a reasonable standard" to allow cities to pass gun-control legislation.

More than 100 people stood in line outside the court for a chance at one of the few seats to hear the arguments in person.

Jason McCrory and his friends were the first in line, having arrived Sunday. Watch both sides make their cases outside the court

He said he supports "the right of people to keep and bear arms... to protect themselves against the dangers they are presented with."

But Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pennsylvania, said before the hearing that the government had the right to limit gun ownership.

"There should be reasonable control for access to guns and particularly handguns," he said. "Even if [the Supreme Court finds] that people have the right to bear arms, governments have a right to reasonable controls on firearms -- where and under what circumstances people have a right to have them."

The issue has polarized judges, politicians and the public for decades: do the Second Amendment's 27 words bestow gun ownership as an individual right, or a collective one -- aimed at the civic responsibilities of state militias -- and therefore subject perhaps to strict government regulation.

City leaders had urged the high court to intervene, saying refusal to do so could prove dire.

"The District of Columbia -- a densely populated urban locality where the violence caused by handguns is well documented -- will be unable to enforce a law that its elected officials have sensibly concluded saves lives," wrote lawyers for the city.

A federal appeals court in March had ruled the handgun ban to be unconstitutional.

The city's 31-year-old law has prevented most private citizens from owning and keeping handguns in their homes.

Among major U.S. cities, only Chicago, Illinois, and the District of Columbia have such sweeping firearm bans. Courts have generally upheld other cities' restrictions on semi-automatic weapons and sawed-off shotguns.

The District of Columbia reported 143 gun-related murders last year. In 1976, when the handgun ban was enacted, the district's medical examiner said 135 homicides were firearm-related.

The March ruling that overturned the ban was the first time a federal appeals court had found a gun law unconstitutional on Second Amendment grounds.

That provision states, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The Supreme Court has steered clear of settling whether the right is individual or collective, and it last examined the issue in 1939 without fully delving into the broader constitutional questions. The issue has remained essentially unresolved since the Bill of Rights were enacted in 1791.

Several District of Columbia citizens first challenged the handgun law, some saying they wanted to do something about being constant victims of crime.

Recent polling finds gun control, remains an important political issue with voters. A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey of Americans in December showed 65 percent believe the Constitution guarantees each person the right to own a gun, while 31 percent said no.

The conservative high court majority has been generally supportive in recent years, letting states and cities craft gun-control laws. Watch what's behind two women's opposing opinions

Similar weapon control laws could now be in jeopardy, and local and state jurisdictions such as Maryland, Massachusetts, Chicago, and San Francisco, California, filed briefs supporting the District.

Thirty-one states, along with groups like the National Rifle Association support the gun owners, but both sides have privately expressed concern over how the justices will decide the issue, since the legal and political implications could be sweeping in scope.

It is unclear whether the Supreme Court's ruling will be broad in scope and apply to nearly all state and local firearm restrictions.

In all, some 64 different briefs were filed, from more than 80 groups and individuals. Among those supporting the gun rights plaintiffs were the NRA, Disabled Veterans for Self-Defense, and the transgender group Pink Pistols.


Groups supporting the city include the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.

The case is District of Columbia v. Heller (07-290). A ruling is expected in late June. E-mail to a friend

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Right there is the Number 1 reason why I voted for Bush. with the new judge apointments coming up back then we had to have a conservative in office o appoint conservative judges. Hopefully they will now act like true conservatives and let us keep our rights.




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yeah lets re write the constitution or see where they can re evaluate the understanding of it YEARS later. and years later again when it suits them, and again, and again.

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Right there is the Number 1 reason why I voted for Bush. with the new judge apointments coming up back then we had to have a conservative in office o appoint conservative judges. Hopefully they will now act like true conservatives and let us keep our rights.
They don't have to be conservatives, just people with common sense. We really need more people in higher positions with the ability to reason, and stop letting a few wacky people with strong convictions attempt to change everything to fit their warped reality.

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Right there is the Number 1 reason why I voted for Bush. with the new judge apointments coming up back then we had to have a conservative in office o appoint conservative judges. Hopefully they will now act like true conservatives and let us keep our rights.
OK, you know I love my toys and rights too. BUT, with all the crap going down here and abroad, that is very low on my list of priorities and reasons to vote or not vote for Bush. My number 1 reason the first time around was that with all his ties to special interest groups I was sure he would be a disaster for the economy, but there were many to choose from. Frankly IMO Bush has stepped on more of my personal freedoms and rights than any restrictions on gun laws that could work through the courts can ever approach. Just my $.02.

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did anyone hear Dick Daleys speach in L.A. yesterday? He just cant comprehend how we can get cigarettes banned and they kill slowly but cant get a gun bann when they kill instantly.
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did anyone hear Dick Daleys speach in L.A. yesterday? He just cant comprehend how we can get cigarettes banned and they kill slowly but cant get a gun bann when they kill instantly.
What a tool
The man is an idiot.




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I am a gun nut. it's my main voting issue. LOL yes it is the first thing I look at when examining a contestants positions.


Second is lower taxes, third....... I really dont have a 3rd, I just lump in all that abortion and healthcare crap, which they shouldnt have thier hands in anyways, but the media loves to make it news, so it becomes an issue.




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did anyone hear Dick Daleys speach in L.A. yesterday? He just cant comprehend how we can get cigarettes banned and they kill slowly but cant get a gun bann when they kill instantly.
What a tool
Sadly, people dont understand that guns dont kill anybody.

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did anyone hear Dick Daleys speach in L.A. yesterday? He just cant comprehend how we can get cigarettes banned and they kill slowly but cant get a gun bann when they kill instantly.
What a tool
In this I agree. While I like Daley for Chicago, in this he is off base. I think he is clutching at straws to try to get the murder rate down and guns off the street. We need tougher anti-gun violence laws, active enforcement of the laws and probably more background checks on owners, not the ban of guns for responsible adults. When I hear about criminals convicted of using guns in assult, manslaughter or robbery being let out after just a couple years it makes me insane. Especially since drug addicts not convicted of violent crimes can be in there as long or longer.

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In this I agree. While I like Daley for Chicago, in this he is off base. I think he is clutching at straws to try to get the murder rate down and guns off the street. We need tougher anti-gun violence laws, active enforcement of the laws and probably more background checks on owners, not the ban of guns for responsible adults. When I hear about criminals convicted of using guns in assult, manslaughter or robbery being let out after just a couple years it makes me insane. Especially since drug addicts not convicted of violent crimes can be in there as long or longer.
Hold up your glass, Cheers my friend. we are in agreement on that. 98% (the other 2 percent i just hate daley )




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Toasting you with coffee, just doesn't cut it. Especially when I get a mouthfull of grounds.

Is there any politician you like? Or should like?

At least Daley truely cares about the city and it shows. Remember the jokers we had between him and his fater? Can you imagine what the next mayor is going to be like?

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The real issue here is the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Thats it.

This right was put in place by our founding fathers so that if the government got out of control we could defend our selfs againt it. not another invaiding country. we have a profesional military force for that. That is what people are missing here.

A government should fear it's people not the other way around. If they do you have what you have now. Corruption, fear, and your rights and freedoms takin away from you left and right.

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