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Sigarms SA-3 O/U 12ga.

I have a gentleman who has offered to trade his LNIB Sigarms SA-3 O/U Shotgun for my Delta Elite. I have been in the market for a nice O/U for a while and while the Sigarms marking is strictly an importing mark, it's still a very pretty piece, would like your thoughts on the trade and let me know what you think I should do.

I like the Delta but would prefer a nice SA 1911 platform that I can do some work on in the future and I don't really want to customize a rare(r) gun like the Delta.

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does the O/U fit you? If not then the discussion is mute unless youre willing to get it fitted

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I didn't realize you needed to "fit" an O/U, how does that work exactly?

It's a 28" barrel.

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does the O/U fit you? If not then the discussion is mute unless youre willing to get it fitted
moot = of no practical importance

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Mike where were you fitted for the Condor II? Im just sayin.
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Isnt it more important to ask what you plan to use this O/U for? And then make sure you can site and swing it well?
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This would be entirely for skeet/trap shooting. It would be shipped to me so no way to fit it unless a local store has one but I haven't found one that stocks them yet.

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Can I get an educated response on how an O/U should fit me? What I should look for, sizes I should look at, what you think of the Sigarms brand name here, etc.

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Mike is right. Ignore the peanut gallery. Custom stocks or adjustable stocks are the way to go with a good bird gun for the serious shooter. Length of pull, drop at comb, cast, pitch....all affect how you point and are interrelated. A well fit gun is like an extension of your body. That doesn't mean a stock gun won't work, or is bad, but depending on your body you may struggle. It's like buying a set of golf clubs. Sure you can get a shelf set and be happy, but as you get better you will play with length, shafts, lie, lofts etc.

BTW, nice looking gun. I think the Delta is nicer. What are you planning on doing with it? I couldn't see the business end. Is it ported? Interchangeable choke tubes? How long are the barrels? I'm a Browning boy myself.

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Basically if the gun fits you it will shoot where you look (while trap shooting) When you mount the gun the beads should form a figure eight. the gun should put the majority of its shot pattern above the bead (for trap shooting). This gun might do all of this right out of the box, if it doesn't you would need to have some alterations done (adjustable comb/cast adjustable but plate).

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Man, I'm slow with my responses lately. I start to type, get a call, come back and there are 5 new posts.

1. I would never buy a shotgun without handling it or the same model. Period.
2. Google shotgun fitting. There are lots of articles.
3. Trap and Skeet guns are very different.

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Mike is right. Ignore the peanut gallery. Custom stocks or adjustable stocks are the way to go with a good bird gun for the serious shooter. Length of pull, drop at comb, cast, pitch....all affect how you point and are interrelated. A well fit gun is like an extension of your body. That doesn't mean a stock gun won't work, or is bad, but depending on your body you may struggle. It's like buying a set of golf clubs. Sure you can get a shelf set and be happy, but as you get better you will play with length, shafts, lie, lofts etc.

BTW, nice looking gun. I think the Delta is nicer. What are you planning on doing with it? I couldn't see the business end. Is it ported? Interchangeable choke tubes? How long are the barrels? I'm a Browning boy myself.
Thank you for the response.

It would just be a skeet/trap gun, I don't hunt but was bitten by the skeet bug earlier this year. It is not ported but does come with 3 chokes and you can buy more. They are 28" barrels. I'd love to get a nice Browning but can't afford it now nor will I be able to for some time (just bought a house), the Delta didn't cost me much and this is an affordable way for me to swing a decent O/U for now.

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3. Trap and Skeet guns are very different.
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Well the obvious ones are the length of the barrel and the choke.

Skeet is a short shot. I've never owned a designated skeet gun as I like sporting clays, but from memory they are 28" or shorter. Also, if is doesn't have choke tubes it is open. The idea is to get the shot as spread out as fast as you can to cover as much area as possible. An 28" gun also lets you swing faster. They also tend to have a low profile design. Good skeet guns also have interchangeable barrels for the different gauges shot 12, 20, 28 and 410.

Trap can be a long shot. Most of the trap shooters I know shoot semiautos with full choke and with a 32" or longer barrel. They tend to be high profile. You should see how high the rib is on some of these guns. It is a tight, long, stable, hard hitting gun. The word cannon springs to mind.

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BTW, how much is your Delta worth? What is the "real" budget for the scattergun?

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Thanks again man, I had no idea there was a difference.


The delta is worth about $700-800 but there are DEs that look like mine and are used going for $1200 on GunBroker so it's hard to tell, Ideally I'd like to be at under $1k for the O/U.

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Yikes!

Well the obvious ones are the length of the barrel and the choke.

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Trap can be a long shot. Most of the trap shooters I know shoot semiautos with full choke and with a 32" or longer barrel. They tend to be high profile. You should see how high the rib is on some of these guns. It is a tight, long, stable, hard hitting gun. The word cannon springs to mind.
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IMO, just sell it and buy a good used Browning with an adjustable stock. Field grade is fine, it shoots the same. 30" barrels with Invector chokes lets you do most things well. My old Lightning has has a stupid amount of rounds put through it and just keeps going. We are talking in the 100,000+ range with no gun related missfires and I bought it used years ago for $700. It has never even been to a gunsmith. I've developed a crack in the stock, but that may be because it's been abused. It is a perfect excuse to go custom. My wife's 425 Sporting Clays has over 20,000 rounds and the action is still quite tight and looks almost new. She bought her's with an adjustable stock new about a decade ago for $1,700. I'm sure you can pick up something similar used for 1/2 the price. IMO, Brownings are the best smoothbores for the buck and last 4ever.

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