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Reloading - Bullet Press Etc.

So with winter coming in and everyone talking about shooting, I've pulled my RCBS bullet press out of storage at my parents place. It's been boxed up for the better part of the past 5 years...It's got some surface rust and spiderwebs all over it, but with a little cleaning up it's looking servicable!

So I've also got about 100lbs of brass, mostly 9mm and .40 S&W, but I have some other brass I'll never use. Anyone need any, super cheap? I'll even tumble them for ya since I have two tumblers running. I need to go through the 5 gallon buckets and see what I have that I won't be using.

So, which local shops have really good reloading supplies? I'm headed out to Megasports in just a few minutes...I don't recall if I've ever been out there, but they sound like a large place. Any other places I should check out for powder, primers, and whatnot?

Just trying to get some discussion started on reloading I guess. I find it very theripudic over the long winter months to churn out a few thousand rounds, and with the cost of ammo going up, it makes more sense now than when I got the setup back in 2001.

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Could you give a break down on what you would need to get started in reloading?
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Haha, I was just planning on polishing and selling the brass to those who reload...but if you guys want me to make some rounds for you, I can possibly do that as well. I'd have to check AmmoMan.com and others to see if I could beat their prices though. It might just make sense for you to buy though an established dealer. Especially since I'm currently only setup for 9mm, 40 S&W, and .357 SIG. Though I was planning on getting setup for .45 and .50AE. (EDIT I might be able to do 10mm as well. I have to research it as the .40 and 10 use the same bullets and die, I may just have to pick up a differnt crimping die)

Lemme look into it and see if I could make it worth it to you guys to roll rounds for you. Otherwise, I have plenty of brass for rounds I'm not planning on using.

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Could you give a break down on what you would need to get started in reloading?
That's a tough question that really takes a lot of research on your part. Some basic decisions need to be made, like how many rounds you plan on making/using per month. What caliber and how much do you shoot. Some calibers are totally worth reloading because off the shelf prices are obnoxious (.50 AE and .357 SIG I can reload for 1/2 to 1/3rd the cost of off the shelf). Some calibers, such as 9mm are often cheaper to just buy in bulk. Is it worth it to invest $450 in reloading gear to save $1.50 a box on 9mm? Maybe...if you're planning on making 100,000 rounds. LOL

Another advantage to rolling your own, is that you can dial in the rounds for each specifc gun. For example, my HS2000 (which is now called Springfield XD) absolutely loves 124gr HP with a really light load. I'm talking, so little gun powder that the slide barely racks after each shot. I can make those rounds and have the pistol super accurate, and even a 95lb lady could handle it. Or my SIG 229 loved really *hot* rounds. There was a point were too hot and it's accuracy would drop, but right before that it was like a laser beam.

So reloading for compitition or accuracy is useful.

The basics you need are a bullet press, dies (which form the brass and seat the bullet etc), used or new brass, bullets, primer and powder. You'll need a caliper to measure the completed rounds, and a reloading specific scale. (I don't think I'm missing anything, but that's the absolute bare minimum).

You can get into it with a full manual press and the above mentioned hardware for a couple hundred. But it's really all the little accessories that will kill you.

I went with a $550 press, and probably spent another $250 on accessories (back in 2001). I have a nice digital scale, a go-no-go gauge, a couple brass tumblers for cleaning and polishing used brass, a special hammer used for dissasembling bullets (you have to see it to understand it, but super useful), I got a nice digital caliper vs an analog one I might misread. I have a stack of books and guides and recipies for making various types of rounds.

It's very involved (and expensive) really, but very relaxing. I prefer shooting my own rounds to factory rounds, as I can make them just as well, and with some dialing in...even more accurate, not to mention cheaper to boot.

I just got back from MegaSports. Their reloading section is very sorry (and collecting dust). But they had the one part I needed to get back into business. I was so floored by their gun stock though, that I forgot to get powder and primers. LOL I guess I'm heading over to Bass Pro for both in a few minutes.

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Here is an article I found...this guy has the same setup as me, and uses it much the way I do...though he's produced about 6X more rounds then I have. LOL

http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=26

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I just setup my press 2 days ago. I was happy to find that I had 2700 primers that I fogot about. Still need 45 brass. How much you got?
Still have to get powder and bullets too. Putting in an order ok Monday for that.

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I just setup my press 2 days ago. I was happy to find that I had 2700 primers that I fogot about. Still need 45 brass. How much you got?
Still have to get powder and bullets too. Putting in an order ok Monday for that.
I don't have a .45 yet, so I'll sort and count the .45 brass and PM you.

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I was asked in PM to run some numbers to figure out about how much reloading would save you with todays prices. I figured I'd post it here so I don't have to PM it several times.

These are just some quick and dirty numbers. They could vary a bit depending on any deals you may find, if you purchase locally which is typically more expensive, and these prices haven't included any shipping.

I've only run 9mm and .40 so far.


1000 9mm Once Fired Brass ~$25.00
1000 Small Pistol Primers ~$30.00
1000 9mm 124gr CMJ ~$100
1# of your favorite gun powder $20

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~ $175 Per 1000 rounds

Ammoman Price for 9mm ~ $230-$340 Per 1000 <---Includes Shipping


1000 .40 Once Fired Brass ~$25.00
1000 Small Pistol Primer ~$30.00
1000 .40 S&W Bullets ~$125 (and can go much higher!)
1# of your favorite gun powder $20

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~ $200 Per 1000 rounds

Ammoman Price for .40 S&W ~ $280-$400 Per 1000 <---Includes shipping


Again, these prices could vary quite a bit depending on any deals you get. New brass is *way* more expensive, and with people getting into reloading these days, used brass may go up in price as well.

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I found this easy calculator to help price the cost of reloading.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp

Cost of ammo and reloading has clearly gone up considerably in the past 5 years. I found my box of primers from 2002 and it's about $11 cheaper then what that same primer is today.



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looks nicer, more reliable feeding, saves wear and tear on the dies, easier inspection of cases for damage, etc, etc.

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Keeps whatever gunk on the brass from getting in your bullet press and in your gun. There is a bit of carbon and whatever was on the ground on your brass after shooting.

Some people simply tumble the brass to get them "clean but not shiny". I do my brass prep in two stages because I like clean *and* shiny (like factory rounds). First stage I tumble the brass in a vibratory cleaner with crushed English walnut that I've added a polish/cleaner to. Second stage is crushed corn cob in a bigger tumbler with no cleaner/polish that will basically wipe any cleaner residue or dust from the brass. Typically my walnut is fine grained to get in, out, and through the brass, and the corn cob is about BB sized so it doesn't get stuck in the primer hole if I've already deprimed the brass.

I've read that many people tumble completed bullets to give them that extra bit of polish, and even some bullet manufacturers do this apparently...but that kinda scares me. I've done it once or twice to see what the results are, and I wasn't sure the improvement in looks was worth that .001% chance of a round going off in the tumbler.

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looks nicer, more reliable feeding, saves wear and tear on the dies, easier inspection of cases for damage, etc, etc.
Good point about the case damage. It's much more common with rifle cartridges than pistol, but I've still found one or two per thousand that I pull out because of some damage.

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Good point about the case damage. It's much more common with rifle cartridges than pistol, but I've still found one or two per thousand that I pull out because of some damage.
True. but when firing at public ranges where you may inadvertently pick up someone else's brass that been fired with who knows what kind of load, I like to be on the safe side. This goes double for high pressure cartridges like .40, which have been known to bulge in non fully supported chambers, like a Glock. (one of the reasons you'll NEVER see factory +P .40SW) Its easier to spot the bulge on a clean case. Brass is cheap, KABOOMs are not, so any bulge and its trash.

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Don't need to, it's pretty obvious. And since it's at the base of the brass (Where the brass is supposed to be harder), it's best to just toss it and move on. Plus, if you are churning out a completed cartridge every 5 seconds on a good bullet press, you don't have time to gauge each and every piece of brass.

That said, there is a go-no-go gauge you can get, but that's used for completed rounds to make sure they will fit a typical chamber of the specified caliber.

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Wow, it's sure been a long time since I've done any reloading...I just found another bucket with about 1500 pieces of brass that I never sorted through or polished. I forgot how much of a PITA is is to sort out 9mm from .40 from 45 ACP...and I even found some 357 SIG mixed in!





Here is what the brass typically looks like when swept up off a decently clean indoor range floor. This is some 357 SIG fired from my SIG 229 that I had a custom barrel made for. The barrel had very tight tolerances so the brass looks pretty close to stock size (eg no resizing or bulging in the chamber).





And here is what it looks like after two stage tumbling, but before going through the bullet press to be decapped, resized etc.



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I didn't immediately see any bulged or otherwise damaged brass in this pile, so a quick google search came up with this article that has a couple really good photos:

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I went to a range today with some friends. Fired everything from a .22 to a 44 Mag DE. I just looked at all the brass on the floor and went, Meh.

I'm so not wanting to do this as a side job. LOL

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the only gun I have I would seriously consider doing this for would be my 44 magnum, my smaller calibers just don't seem worth the work. Plus with an auto your brass is all over the place, the 44 is a revolver so it's easy to collect your brass.




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the only gun I have I would seriously consider doing this for would be my 44 magnum, my smaller calibers just don't seem worth the work. Plus with an auto your brass is all over the place, the 44 is a revolver so it's easy to collect your brass.
Very true. But I pick up so much brass it's silly. I could have come home with another 1.5k of mixed brass today had I bothered. Including a couple hundred 44 Mag (though I have no dies to reload 44 Mag).

The sorting, polishing, and decapping bores the shit out of me, but actually pressing the finished cartridges I find very relaxing. I opened the heater vents in the garage the other night and churned out a couple hundred 9mm in 30 minutes while listening to some Zeppelin.

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