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Assault weapons ban...permanent?

There was some discussion in this forum but a new thread would help to clarify what may be at stake and keep us current on any developments. The President Elect has made it clear he is anti-gun and the record gun sale levels in recent months is a sure sign that this bill has some momentum.

So questions stem around the following questions...

-With everyone scrambling around to buy what they believe may soon be banned, how likely is it that the government will gain the power to seize these weapons or make them, ammo, licensing so prohibitively expensive no one can afford them?
-Will handguns be affected and to what extent? I assume the high capacity mags again but what about threaded barrels and rails? I've been itching for a 45 and assumed they would be unaffected.
-Is there even a glimmer of hope that the Supreme Court ruling on legal handgun ownership in DC will make its way to Chicago?
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Im not completely clear on the decision making chain of command but I thought that since the USSC ruled on the 2nd Amen. that this USSC would not rule on it again.
Its my understanding that most other cities that had some sort of ban on weapons dropped those bans because of the high costs of fighting the bans in court. Is that why Chicago still has the ban in effect? They still have the $$ to fight it? Despite 900+ people losing their jobs soon?
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Supreme court ruling has nothing to do with it. All it states is that the people have the right to own weapons, but by the time the government is done they only legal one to own will be a red ryder BB gun and they will tax the BB's 500%




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but why is the law in Chicago allowed to stand as it is right now?

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but why is the law in Chicago allowed to stand as it is right now?
Cause chicago doesnt have a gun ban. they just require registrations. they just happen to not accept registrations




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First, let me start by quoting Obama's official website: http://www.change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda/ Scroll down to Crime & Law Enforcement, and read the very last statement. It's quite clear as day:

They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

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-With everyone scrambling around to buy what they believe may soon be banned, how likely is it that the government will gain the power to seize these weapons or make them, ammo, licensing so prohibitively expensive no one can afford them?
Seizure of existing weapons, I believe is an extremely unlikely scenario. That would require excessive force and turn this country into a totalitarian police state, if not push us to the bring of civil war, as many would fight back from government overextending itself.

Now, as for taxing firearms, ammunition, and/or requiring crazy licensing, that is a much more probable method of "gun control" that could be enacted. I don't have exact references at hand, but I had read that Obama and Biden had stated that they wish to increase prices upwards to 500%.

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-Will handguns be affected and to what extent? I assume the high capacity mags again but what about threaded barrels and rails? I've been itching for a 45 and assumed they would be unaffected.
There is no good reason to presume that handguns would not be affected, as they were also covered in the previous assault weapon ban of 1994. Recall that Biden was a champion of that ban, and Obama hails from Chicago, where King Daley believes that all handguns are instruments of Satan.

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-Is there even a glimmer of hope that the Supreme Court ruling on legal handgun ownership in DC will make its way to Chicago?
The Supreme Court's ruling, while it sort of helped our cause, also skirted the issue. Others can explain it far better than I, but in a very brief nutshell, they said that outright bans are illegal but states can still regulate firearms ownerships to reasonable extents. What reasonable means however, can and will still be fought over.
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Lets face it Obama was put into office by dick durbin. Dick durbin is part of the chicago machine. so it's not a huge leap to say that Chicago now will be running the country. How easy would it be to enact Chicago's registration laws nationwide. then just not accept registrations. Instantly guns are banned nationwide and millions of americans are turned into felons with the stroke of a pen.

Then we will all say, yes the governments corrupt but the planters along the highway look great.




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Lets face it Obama was put into office by dick durbin. Dick durbin is part of the chicago machine. so it's not a huge leap to say that Chicago now will be running the country. How easy would it be to enact Chicago's registration laws nationwide. then just not accept registrations. Instantly guns are banned nationwide and millions of americans are turned into felons with the stroke of a pen.
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Seizure of existing weapons, I believe is an extremely unlikely scenario. That would require excessive force and turn this country into a totalitarian police state, if not push us to the bring of civil war, as many would fight back from government overextending itself.

Now, as for taxing firearms, ammunition, and/or requiring crazy licensing, that is a much more probable method of "gun control" that could be enacted. I don't have exact references at hand, but I had read that Obama and Biden had stated that they wish to increase prices upwards to 500%.

I'd like to think that Obama/Biden is not stupid enough to try to actually implement the current Chicago Law as a Federal law. I'd also like to think that they wouldn't start charging outrageous amounts for firearms/ammunition taxes. Dems may views these as being smart ways to keep gun crimes down but a move like this will incite the Second American Civil War.

I'm not a huge fan of Charlton Heston but he got it right with the whole "Cold Dead Hands" thing. The day the government comes into my home looking for my guns is the day I kill a man.

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Maxon's in Des Plaines, Saturday, December 13th. See my posts about the Springfield Armory and Taurus days at Maxon's... same drill. I'll be posting a separate thread to remind folks, when the date gets closer.
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Never understood the threaded barrell thing, even though they are currently legal, the suppressor isnt.




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Makes sence to me.




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Can I get one w a threaded barrel or do I have to special order it?
http://SGCUSA.com/product_info.php?p...992ccef821fb11


There are companies out there that sell them although the one above is out of stock.


No real point in owning one in Illinois. I had one for my 92FS, looked tacticool but was pointless beyond that.

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A threaded barrel IS useful if you intend to compete & want to throw a weighted comp onto the gun. Otherwise there's little point for us in IL. That being said, HK's can be had w. threaded barrels stock- I've seen plenty of USP variants with them over the years.
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A threaded barrel IS useful if you intend to compete & want to throw a weighted comp onto the gun. Otherwise there's little point for us in IL. That being said, HK's can be had w. threaded barrels stock- I've seen plenty of USP variants with them over the years.
The Mark 23 and the USP Tactical and the Compact Tactical all came with them standard but as they've dropped the Tactical line, I don't think the HK45 (USP45's replacement) can be factory equipped with one.

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My comment was meant to address the legality of having a threaded barrel and HK's in general.

Regarding the HK45 specifically, I just checked the forums over on HKPro.com. Seems the HK45 has a threaded barrel that can be purchased separately from HK, for around $250 smackers. There's grumblings that an HK45T (tactical) is supposed to be released, which will have the threaded barrel stock, but HK's been mum on release timetables.
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Never understood the threaded barrell thing, even though they are currently legal, the suppressor isnt.
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Seizure of existing weapons, I believe is an extremely unlikely scenario.
The NRA had a tv spot a few years back on this. They actually DID this in Cali but I don't know how far it went (I think it was with a SKS). The main story was of a cop who purchased a rifle that was legally registered and was later banned. He refused to turn it in and was suspended from the force but I don't remember what happened to the rifle or him eventually. It was on regular tv but who knows how true it was. It was a NRA plug.

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Cause chicago doesnt have a gun ban. they just require registrations. they just happen to not accept registrations
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Handgun/assault rifle ban in effect. You can still own just about everything else. Lets not pussyfoot around the issue.
Unfortunately, to the legal eagles fighting this one in court, this holds true. We know what it really is, but thanks to the legal system, they go by the letter, not by the spirit.
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Never understood the threaded barrell thing, even though they are currently legal, the suppressor isnt.
had one sold it to a friend. USP tactical 45. Solid but I prefer my p2000 9mm.

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had one sold it to a friend. USP tactical 45. Solid but I prefer my p2000 9mm.

Some may say 9mm? Not emph. But I say two in you face and one in you mid thigh and game over period. I don't miss.
I prefer my 92fs brigadier 9mm. It's my favorite out of all my guns. and your right, 1 or 2 in the face they are down. plenty of stopping power




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oh and did anyone else notice winnetka's handgun ban was just knocked down??? hoooooray for our side!!!




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Really? I wouldn't have had you pegged as a 9mm guy. My 92FS is my favorite pistol, I like the feel of the 1911 more but the functionality/smoothness of the 92FS and capacity are second to none.

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