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read up on the differences yourself, youll find many answers and a LOT of preferences and the reasons why.

i dont have time right now.

but bull barrels for me in any 1911 base firearm



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read up on the differences yourself, youll find many answers and a LOT of preferences and the reasons why.

i dont have time right now.

but bull barrels for me in any 1911 base firearm
For the most part this is the way to get the best accuracy and minimal ammount of wear. Another option is to have a custom bushing/barrel that has been matched and fitted by a gunsmith or the custom shop of the manufacturer. If you are not going to compete, and just want a plinker most 1911's in standard form will be fine.

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from a purely machining/manufacturing/engineering standpoint as i lack firearms knowledge

any time you use a busing to locate something you introduce a small bit of tolerance slop to the assembly as you now have 3 peices: the base, the bushing and the part, this created 2 interfaces base to bushing and bushing to part. each interface will have tolerance in the fitment

tolerances, especially when stacked, introduce inaccuracy

however from a maintenance standpoint the bushed option is the way to go as the bushing can be made to be expendable and more easily/cheaply replaced that the base and part peices either individually or as a set

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from a purely machining/manufacturing/engineering standpoint as i lack firearms knowledge

any time you use a busing to locate something you introduce a small bit of tolerance slop to the assembly as you now have 3 peices: the base, the bushing and the part, this created 2 interfaces base to bushing and bushing to part. each interface will have tolerance in the fitment

tolerances, especially when stacked, introduce inaccuracy

however from a maintenance standpoint the bushed option is the way to go as the bushing can be made to be expendable and more easily/cheaply replaced that the base and part peices either individually or as a set

All that logic...that's like crazy talk!

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from a purely machining/manufacturing/engineering standpoint as i lack firearms knowledge

any time you use a busing to locate something you introduce a small bit of tolerance slop to the assembly as you now have 3 peices: the base, the bushing and the part, this created 2 interfaces base to bushing and bushing to part. each interface will have tolerance in the fitment

tolerances, especially when stacked, introduce inaccuracy

however from a maintenance standpoint the bushed option is the way to go as the bushing can be made to be expendable and more easily/cheaply replaced that the base and part peices either individually or as a set
Thanks for the info. That makes perfect sense.

I am considering trading something for a high end 1911.

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I liked bushed barrels. Traditional!

A properly fitted bushing will give the same accuracy as a bull. The tolerances can be made very tight, and a good portion of lockup consistency (which gives you accuracy/precision) comes from hood, groove, and lug fitting. AND, after a few thousand rounds when things start to wear, all you need is a new $20 bushing instead of a new $200+ dollar barrel that needs to be refitted by a 'smith for even more cheddar.

Also, a Bull barrel will require a reverse recoil spring setup.

If you ever want to shoot IDPA, you can't use a Bull barrel.

My personal opinion, based on those factors, is that bushing is the way to go. Its all preference and what you want to do though.

Some people like the more front heavy bull barrel guns, and I think thats the strongest reason for them.

check out 1911forum.com TONS of good info over there on the 1911 and its variations.

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I liked bushed barrels. Traditional!

A properly fitted bushing will give the same accuracy as a bull. The tolerances can be made very tight, and a good portion of lockup consistency (which gives you accuracy/precision) comes from hood, groove, and lug fitting. AND, after a few thousand rounds when things start to wear, all you need is a new $20 bushing instead of a new $200+ dollar barrel that needs to be refitted by a 'smith for even more cheddar.

Also, a Bull barrel will require a reverse recoil spring setup.

If you ever want to shoot IDPA, you can't use a Bull barrel.

My personal opinion, based on those factors, is that bushing is the way to go. Its all preference and what you want to do though.

Some people like the more front heavy bull barrel guns, and I think thats the strongest reason for them.

check out 1911forum.com TONS of good info over there on the 1911 and its variations.
Will do. Thanks for the info.
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