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Help out here.. i thought the whole point of a glock is it did not fire when dropped. I thought the firing pin did not allign until the trigger was pulled. I think his story is bullshit..




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I didn't see anything in that artical stating the gun fired due to being dropped.

Sounds more like he shot himself.

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It is bullshit.

Any number of Fed agencies have drop tested the shit out of Glocks.

The only way it could fire when dropped is if some jackass removed the plunger or plunger spring.

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I haven't found any specific details regarding how the negligent discharge actually occurred, so really cannot comment otherwise.
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one article I read said it went off when he bumped into someone

how long till the real story comes out?

he bumped into someone and made them spill a drink
words were exchanged
he tried to pull out his gun, finger on the trigger, and shot himself in the process.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/11302008...elf_141565.htm

"The Super Bowl hero, who nabbed the game-winning catch in the Giants' monumental win over the Patriots in February, admitted to the guards that he was packing heat, sources said.

After moving to a secluded area with a guard, he allegedly took the gun out and started to unload the bullets while drinking a glass of wine. But the sure-handed wideout began to bobble the firearm, accidentally firing a shot that ripped through his leg but missed the bone."

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I heard it got "caught in his sweat pants" and "went off" when he tried
to remove it...... maybe he shouldn't have put his finger on the trigger.


Too bad he didn't shoot himself in the nuts so he can't reproduce.


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His first story was he dropped it and it discharged..


By the way, caring a gun in sweatpants is a great idea.




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Why is that?
super-cheapo construction, less than stellar accuracy in stock form, some don't like the odd grip angle.


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super-cheapo construction, less than stellar accuracy in stock form, some don't like the odd grip angle.


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I'll take that piece of shit off your hands for $50
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I'll take that piece of shit off your hands for $50
I like Glocks, actually. Mine is far from stock though. Trigger is tweaked, aftermarket, fully supported match barrel, decent sights. I'm thinking I might send it in to get the slide done in DLC, too. (if I was really ambitious, I'd send in my fork legs and shock piston for the same )

They are cheaply made. There's so much flex in the trigger bar that a crisp break is nearly impossible.
I actually got a new frame from Glock because the cheapo metal tab embedded in plastic rail snapped. (it still fired after the breakage though)
Usually, the frame to slide fit is so loose you'd swear it was made by a blind and mentally handicapped person. They say really loose tolerance help reliability, but Sigs and decent 1911s are just as reliable without being so loose that they rattle. When the slide is in battery there's no reason it should move up and down more than a millimeter. (that sort of slop makes a decent trigger job hard, and makes for inconsistent lock-up)

The first thing many competitive shooters do to a Glock is take a big f'n hammer to the slide to tighten that shit up.

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IMHO, Glocks are perfect for what they were designed for. I have been shopping for one to replace the one I sold, and it looks like I am getting another one.
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that one guy loaded a primered case and threw his G21 out the airplane at 500ft and the firing pin didnt hit teh primer. this guy

he was getting all puff daddy in the club and shooted himslef.
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IMHO, Glocks are perfect for what they were designed for.

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You cant make a Camaro into a Formula 1 car
JMB originally designed the 1911 as a cheap, rugged combat pistol. Looks what its become.

You should see some of the tricked-out IPSC/IDPA Glocks.
There's a ton of guys over here that have done just that.

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The Brian Enos Forum....

I've been a member there for over 6 years.

As far as teh 1911 goes, you cant compare a steel framed firearm to a poly one. There are limitations that poly has that metal doesnt, thus the reason CCF has now begun producing "Glock Like" loweres, to try and combat the limitations of poly.

The BE forums are a bunch of IPSC/IDPA guys who shoot at targets with 5" bullseyes. That is far from sub 1" NRA Bullseye targets.

the fact is a Glock is nearly impossible to turn into a bullseye gun, but as far as IDPA or IPSc goes you don't neeed that type of accuracy.

You stated:

"you'd swear it was made by a blind and mentally handicapped person. They say really loose tolerance help reliability, but Sigs and decent 1911s are just as reliable without being so loose that they rattle."

What you neglect to realize is that Sig GSR's and Kimber Gold Matches are not handed out as duty guns or GI Issue sidearms. The reason they are reliable is that they are going from nice range bags to 200 rounds at a target and back to a nice safe at home.

Everything is purpose built, and you just cant polish a turd and call it art.

is a glock a good gun, yes.
Is a 1911 a good gun, yes.
Can they be made to perform at equal levels, No

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Everything is purpose built, and you just cant polish a turd and call it art.
I agree with everything else in the post...
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lol........ that's a good one!

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The Brian Enos Forum....

I've been a member there for over 6 years.

As far as teh 1911 goes, you cant compare a steel framed firearm to a poly one. There are limitations that poly has that metal doesnt, thus the reason CCF has now begun producing "Glock Like" loweres, to try and combat the limitations of poly.

The BE forums are a bunch of IPSC/IDPA guys who shoot at targets with 5" bullseyes. That is far from sub 1" NRA Bullseye targets.

the fact is a Glock is nearly impossible to turn into a bullseye gun, but as far as IDPA or IPSc goes you don't neeed that type of accuracy.

You stated:

"you'd swear it was made by a blind and mentally handicapped person. They say really loose tolerance help reliability, but Sigs and decent 1911s are just as reliable without being so loose that they rattle."

What you neglect to realize is that Sig GSR's and Kimber Gold Matches are not handed out as duty guns or GI Issue sidearms. The reason they are reliable is that they are going from nice range bags to 200 rounds at a target and back to a nice safe at home.

Everything is purpose built, and you just cant polish a turd and call it art.

is a glock a good gun, yes.
Is a 1911 a good gun, yes.
Can they be made to perform at equal levels, No
I thought bullseye-level 1911's were for yuppies with sharskin holsters and more money than sense?

"you'd swear it was made by a blind and mentally handicapped person. They say really loose tolerance help reliability, but Sigs and decent 1911s are just as reliable without being so loose that they rattle."

What you neglect to realize, is that I wasn't talking about Sig GSRs. I was talking about the P series. The 226, IIRC, is the only pistol that has passed every major gov't torture test. (it was just more expensive than the Glock in the FBI's case, and the Beretta in the Army's case. Lowest bidder and all)
The point being that Sigs make a a pretty clear point that you don't need sloppy construction and retarded loose tolerances to make a gun reliable. and they are handed out quite regularly as duty guns and military sidearms.
Even the beat-up, shot-out M9s I carried (and this is the Corps, so we're obviously not talking about anything near new M9s ) weren't nearly as loose as a NIB Glock. Which was my point. You don't need a gun to rattle for it be reliable.

Second, I wasn't talking about making a Glock a bullseye gun. . I was talking about making it fast, accurate practical pistol that'll shoot on par with most production 1911s. (5" bullseyes at varying distance under time pressure while moving are apples to 1" bullseyes at known distance at a leisurely pace oranges)

Third, Not all 1911's are created equal. You can get them GI specs, and they'll be reliable whether you're wallowing in a muddy trench, or operating in the sandbox like the MEUSOC guys. Or you can get a Baer thats so tight, it breaks plastic bushing wrenches. And as I mentioned, just because it's purpose built doesn't mean it can't be modified from that purpose. The original 1911, for example.

Can a Glock be made to perform as well as an Ed Brown or something fully worked over by Harrison custom or Yost? No, of course not. But you can certainly make them shoot as well or better than most production 1911s with a minimum of money and effort.

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I love this one

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Notice that the pistol is not jammed with sand, the operator has not been taken prisoner and the smiling newly liberated locals are obeying commands. The pistol is loaded with 230g FMJ ammunition running at 830 fps. Not bad for a 92-year-old relic.

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Fuck all this shit, that's why I stick to my Bryco

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