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I am thinking of getting my first handgun, leaning towards a .40 cal. I've been doing some price research and here is a list of guns that I am considering, any of them I should stay away from or lean towards? Any other recommendations? The gun will be just used for going to the range.

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I *loved* my SIG 229. I had it in .40 and had a custom .357 SIG barrel made for it. Many pistols in .40 can also have 9mm barrels made for them for plinking/practice. But the SIG 229 is a very refined machine with good feel for average and smaller hands. I've love to own one again.

Glocks are love/hate - Being an XD fan I probably shouldn't comment.

I've yet to find a Taurus Automatic I like, but I've not tried them all honestly. I went to the Taurus day and it just reinforced my dislike of Taurus Automatics...but I was very surprised by the 357 Magnum revolver I fired that day.

I love the H&K tactical USP .40 I'm not sure I've used the P2000

I have the XD Tactical in .40 right now. I've not fired the XDm, but from what I'm told by long time XD owners, it's a more refined pistol and highly recommended. I love my XD Tactical and would absolutely consider an XDm for myself (And get a .357 SIG barrel for high velocity fun).

I'm not familar with Beretta, so I can not comment.


All that said, try finding a range that has most or all of those pistols you're thinking about for rental, and see if you rent something and buy the same day, if they will roll the rental fee into the purchase price of the pistol. Try them out for yourself and see which works for you. IMHO, I'd be all over SIG, H&K, or XDm

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What are you going to use it for ?
Just going to the shooting range.
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The best advice you're gonna get is to go to a range that rents the pistols you're interested in, put some rounds downrange, and see which one you like best.
As far as caliber goes for a first timer, I'd recommend a 9mm. Easier to shoot, and easier on the wallet to shoot. Especially if its just a range toy.

but everyone wants a "fo'ty"

My .02: out of the above list, I like Sigs. Just traded my USP9 for one and couldn't' be happier with it. One really nice thing about the Sigs is that if you get a 357/40, you can get a 9mm barrel from barsto, and a factory barrel in 357 or 40 and effectively have 3 guns. Kinda cool.
HKs are great guns and I really like my USP, but I wanted something different and the Sig fits my hand better and has a better trigger.
Glocks are OK, (I own one) but the grip angle is kinda odd (won't matter if you don't have any previously ingrained preference) and have pretty chintzy construction. I doubt I'd buy another, frankly.
The new XDm is supposed to pretty sweet, as is the SW M&P. I've actually fired the latter and liked it alot. I can see whay its quickly becoming a very popular gun among the IDPA/IPSC guys. Might want to give that one a shot.

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Presuming you already have your FOID card, come out to the H&K Manufacturer's day this Saturday at Maxon's. It'll give you the opportunity to sample a bunch of different H&K firearms. Check the thread elsewhere.

That being said, you really need to sample the guns that you're interested. Like a motorcycle helmet, it is important that the gun "fit" you.

Now, here are my personal opinions.

Sig Sauer: I love Sigs. They're rock solid, dependable, and top of the line. But I don't own any. Why? Because I have small hands and very few, if any, fit me well.

Glock: Glocks - you love them or you hate them. They have a steeper grip angle, which folks either love or hate. The trigger isn't truly a single or double action, which bothers some. Some have had reliability issues with them whereas others swear by them.

Taurus: I dislike Taurus firearms. Others are fans, but to me, they've always felt a bit unrefined, like their 1911 line. Years ago, they had reliability issues as well. That reputation has plagued them since, though I believe that their production quality has improved in recent years. If I had to buy one of their guns, I'd rather go with one of their revolvers vs a semi-auto.

Heckler & Koch: H&K also makes rock solid, dependable firearms. The H&K USP 9mm Compact was my very first handgun, years ago. Some folks HATE their triggers. They're also fairly expensive. Due to a shift in market focus, they had turned their backs on the civilian market for a few years, to focus on the LEO market. That pissed many people off, but I believe they're refocusing back on the civilian again now.

Springfield Armory: Springfield Armory is another super solid manufacturer. I like to describe the XD as a cross between a Glock and a 1911. It has more of the ergonomics of a 1911, with many of the features of a Glock. The XD(m) has a much tighter trigger, which I really like vs the standard XDs.

Beretta: I really have little opinion of Beretta firearms, because they simply don't fit me.
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Thanks for the info guys, seams the best bet is go to the range and rent/shoot them before forking out the $$$. I've shot the glock 22 and a mini glock before, I know I did not like the mini, but have nothing to compare the 22 to. I was planning on going to Maxon's this Saturday to try out the H&K, but something came out and might not have a chance to stop by.

Another question on the same topic...opinions on buying new vs used? What kind of savings can one expect buying used?

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Thanks for the info guys, seams the best bet is go to the range and rent/shoot them before forking out the $$$. I've shot the glock 22 and a mini glock before, I know I did not like the mini, but have nothing to compare the 22 to. I was planning on going to Maxon's this Saturday to try out the H&K, but something came out and might not have a chance to stop by.

Another question on the same topic...opinions on buying new vs used? What kind of savings can one expect buying used?

Thanks again,
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You can save a few hundred used, easily. The only gun I bought new was the USP, and I paid nearly double what I did for the used Glock, Kimber, or 226 The 226 was never even fired, and I got it for cash equivalent of about $550. They go for at least 750-800 at most stores.

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Thanks for the info guys, seams the best bet is go to the range and rent/shoot them before forking out the $$$. I've shot the glock 22 and a mini glock before, I know I did not like the mini, but have nothing to compare the 22 to. I was planning on going to Maxon's this Saturday to try out the H&K, but something came out and might not have a chance to stop by.

Another question on the same topic...opinions on buying new vs used? What kind of savings can one expect buying used?

Thanks again,
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Really depends on the gun, but I find many similarities to motorcycles. Firearms tend to retain their value over time very well. Most modern firearms are sturdy enough to take a great deal of abuse with minimal issue. And many firearms owners are pretty responsible about upkeeping their beloved toys.

That being said, let's see... of the firearms I own... maybe 1/3 of my collection is used. My latest purchase, the SA M1A, is a 10 year old rifle.

You can often find better bargains used, but don't always expect HUGE discounts over retail. Depreciation tends to plateau off after a small percentage drop.
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nothing wrong with .40sw, because it can be converted to 9mm in many cases. Price difference is huge if you shoot a lot.

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smaller rounds but you can throw more of them at them quietly than the 40
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If you are just going to the range. I would suggest a Ruger Mark II or Buckmark. You can shoot all day for pennies. You may not make the biggest bang but you will have more rounds down range.

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If you are just going to the range. I would suggest a Ruger Mark II or Buckmark. You can shoot all day for pennies. You may not make the biggest bang but you will have more rounds down range.
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For only range use I would go 9mm. I would also suggest taking a look at (renting??) a CZ-75 and/or 85 in 9mm. Sweet guns, accurate, reliable and all of mine shoot like lasers.

If you want to go to a larger caliber I'd tak a look at a quality 1911. I have been shooting handguns for 20+ years and I will always have a 1911. Kimber, Springfield, S&W all make good examples - though the Smith units do have an external extractor that some do not care for. A good used Kimber so-called "series 1" is a sure bet.

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I have Beretta Brigadier Elite .40 with Pachmar grips with under 1000 rounds through it that I no longer shoot since I purchased my H&K .45. IMO, it is a very accurate and reliable pistol in immaculate shape. Since I'm looking at the big D, I could be talked into selling it for a reasonable buck. PM me if you are interested.

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Any other recommendations? The gun will be just used for going to the range.

Thanks in advance, Greg.

Sig Sauer: P250 or P229
Glock: 22 or 35 or 24
Taurus: 24/7 PLS-40B-10
Heckler & Koch: USP 40 S&W or P2000 40 S&W
Springfield Armory: XD(M) 40 S&W
Beretta: PX4 Storm 40 S&W

A nice .22. It's no fun shooting when it breaks your bank. The cost of ammo isnt what it was 5 years ago. If it's just for the range and having fun a .22 is all you need. If you wanna be billy bad ass and shoot 50 rounds for 10+ bucks get the USP as it gives you all the options the others don't.

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A nice .22. It's no fun shooting when it breaks your bank. The cost of ammo isnt what it was 5 years ago. If it's just for the range and having fun a .22 is all you need. If you wanna be billy bad ass and shoot 50 rounds for 10+ bucks get the USP as it gives you all the options the others don't.


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Ya think?

I still shoot a minimum of 4 to 1 .22 vs .45 or whatever at the range each and every time. I have no idea how many rounds I have put through my Ruger or have shot in my life. IMO, .22 is the best all round bullet ever made. I've beat that drum for 34 years.

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