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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 12-21-2008, 10:57 AM Thread Starter
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Chicago Handgun Ban Upheld, for now...

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This is one time that I have to say screw the law.

The requirements of handgun ownership in DC are just incredible, and Chicago will follow when the current ban is ruled unconstitutional. Handguns owners will be treated like they are child molesters. Submit to a criminal background check? Five hours safety course? Please cite me any other constitutional right that requires anything close to this.

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the criminal background check isnt necessarily a bad thing.
and how wont people benefit from a safety course, a mere 5 hours, if it prevents one accidental discharge that results in an injury id say its time well spent

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"the criminal background check isnt necessarily a bad thing."


To excercise the right (!) to have a firearm you think we should submit to a criminal background check? Why, because this will stop criminals from getting handguns? Are you serious? We have a FOID in this crap state and there is no shortage of bangers in Chicago and Aurora from having illegal firearms.

The only reason a city/county/state would implement a criminal background check and required training is to make having a handgun such a pain in the ass that people will waive their rights.

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the criminal background check isnt necessarily a bad thing.
and how wont people benefit from a safety course, a mere 5 hours, if it prevents one accidental discharge that results in an injury id say its time well spent
This is how it all starts. a mere 5 hour saftey course. (I guess the 25 hours for drivers ed is not working so lets double that to 50 and that did not help. just a IE) It is not the time or the idea of saftey, but my right to own a gun. It is my right to have that gun and my choice to take and learn to use it safely. It is just the way politics starts to control a item or remove the right to even do so.

If people look like its only 5 hours just shut up and deal with it we will end up dealing with everything and not having the time to enjoy it. The Gov and laws are to protect us not screw us.

Laws only affect the people that obey them, Criminals don't care and will always have guns.
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This is how it all starts. a mere 5 hour saftey course. (I guess the 25 hours for drivers ed is not working so lets double that to 50 and that did not help. just a IE) It is not the time or the idea of saftey, but my right to own a gun. It is my right to have that gun and my choice to take and learn to use it safely. It is just the way politics starts to control a item or remove the right to even do so.

If people look like its only 5 hours just shut up and deal with it we will end up dealing with everything and not having the time to enjoy it. The Gov and laws are to protect us not screw us.

Laws only affect the people that obey them, Criminals don't care and will always have guns.
im not against you owning a gun but there are some people who do not have the discipline/forethought required for owning a firearm. Im not a fan of the FOID thing, background checks and cool off/waiting periods im all for that. if someone has a history of domestic voilence against a partner should that person be allowed to walk out of the store with a handgun that might possibly be used in a future case of domestic violence, with the next time ending with irreversible and catastrophic consequences?

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pilotx1- Not trying to start anything, but if I want a gun should be able to go buy. If I am not responsible to handle that and kill someone there are laws for that. If I loose my temper I wait 72 hours, hell I wait weeks for payback. But anything can be used as a weapon, and the only people with guns it affects are the good lawabiding citizan.

Should you be able to walk out with the gun with out a 72 hour waiting period, to get in your car. (The car you get into is just as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands.)

All I am saying is to add more regulations to guns is not the solution and if you stand by and let them it is only a matter of time and you will have to take pass a course just to ride a bicycle.
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Believe it or not I do think a 5 hour safety course, or equivalent military or LEO experience, would be a good idea. Unfortunately I agree with what was said above in that it will be used as a way to control us. "The next 5 hour safety training will be held February 29th. Only 10 seats available".

When we used to shoot a Ft. Benning on the weekends (10 years ago -damn time goes fast-) it was a self policing deal. Most of us were obviously military so we had the training but if someone was doing something unsafe or stupid you got your shit stomped on quickly. There were a lot of old timers out there willing to help out. Now you go to Buffalo Rock or wherever and it just doesn't seem that people really give shit anymore and aren't willing to help or teach proper etiquette. Self policing would never work because someone always thinks they're Rambo or Rambette and know better because their uncle's neighbour's friend's sister's second cousin twice removed applied for seal training and showed them how to hold a hand gun. It seems to me like it was more of a shooting community back then where today it's more of fend for your self attitude.
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Self policing would never work because someone always thinks they're Rambo or Rambette and know better because their uncle's neighbour's friend's sister's second cousin twice removed applied for seal training and showed them how to hold a hand gun. It seems to me like it was more of a shooting community back then where today it's more of fend for your self attitude.
I agree thatself policy is not the safest, But it should be up to the person weather or not to take training or be self taught. Not forced on to them.

Look at the seat belt law. Yes it is statisicly safer, but should be my choice to clickit, not the Gov.

This also goes that most people will still learn the proper handling of a gun, and the ones who don't are usually the crimanal that has a illegal gun anyways.
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"im not against you owning a gun but there are some people who do not have the discipline/forethought required for owning a firearm."

There are some that should not have a liter bike. There are some that should not have a 600cc bike. You okay with the goverment limiting access to these as well?

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"im not against you owning a gun but there are some people who do not have the discipline/forethought required for owning a firearm."

There are some that should not have a liter bike. There are some that should not have a 600cc bike. You okay with the goverment limiting access to these as well?
no im not, but the potential for causing significnt harm to others(especially without hurting/killing yourself in the process) is less with a bike than it is with a gun.

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