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Supreme Court to hear Chicago Gun Ban Case

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Supreme Court to hear Chicago gun case
September 30, 2009 9:23 AM | 4 Comments
The Supreme Court announced this morning it will hear a challenge to Chicago's gun restrictions that will determine if local handgun bans are legal.

Last year, the high court ruled the 2nd Amendment gave individuals the right to possess firearms and struck down Washington, D.C.'s gun bans.

Left open was the question of whether states and local governments are required to do the same.

But the court said today it will review a lower court ruling in the case of McDonald vs. City of Chicago that upheld a handgun ban in Chicago. That action court potentially could set in motion a nationwide re-establishment of the right to bear arms. The case will be argued next year.
In the high court's decision in June of last year, it ruled 5-4 for the first time that the 2nd Amendment establishes the right to own a handgun for personal self-defense, not only as part of a state militia.

Mayor Richard Daley immediately condemned the court's decision and vowed to fight any attempt to invalidate the city's now 27-year-old gun ban.

Hours after the court's decision, the Illinois State Rifle Association sued Chicago and Daley in an attempt to overturn the ban.

One of the plaintiffs is Otis McDonald, an elderly man who last year lived in the Morgan Park area and told the Chicago Tribune he keeps a shotgun at home to protect himself from gangs that plagued his neighborhood.

After the court ruled in the Washington, D.C., case, Morton Grove, Wilmette, Evanston and Winnetka dropped their gun bans, in large measure to fend off costly lawsuits.

In the McDonald case, Judge Frank Easterbrook, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, said that "the Constitution establishes a federal republic where local differences are to be cherished as elements of liberty rather than extirpated in order to produce a single, nationally applicable rule."

"Federalism is an older and more deeply rooted tradition than is a right to carry any particular kind of weapon," Easterbrook wrote.

Evaluating arguments over the extension of the 2nd Amendment is a job "for the justices rather than a court of appeals," he said.

he high court took his suggestion today.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, then an appeals court judge, was part of a three-judge panel in New York that reached a similar conclusion in January.

Judges on both courts -- Republican nominees in Chicago and Democratic nominees in New York -- said only the Supreme Court could decide whether to extend last year's ruling throughout the country. Many, but not all, of the constitutional protections in the Bill of Rights have been applied to cities and states.

The New York ruling also has been challenged, but the court did not act on it Wednesday. Sotomayor would have to sit out any case involving decisions she was part of on the appeals court. Although the issue is the same in the Chicago case, there is no ethical bar to her participation in its consideration by the Supreme Court.

Several Republican senators cited the Sotomayor gun ruling, as well as her reticence on the topic at her confirmation hearing, in explaining their decision to oppose her confirmation to the high court.

--Staff report and Associated Press
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I've changed my mind on this over the years. I used to support the handgun ban in Chicago, but I don't anymore.

I do beleive every person has the right to protect themselves. If I was a criminal, and I had a choice to be a criminal in Chicago or Texas....I would choose Chicago for obvious reasons.

The majority of the country is allowed to protect themselves and their property without issue

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I've changed my mind on this over the years. I used to support the handgun ban in Chicago, but I don't anymore.

I do beleive every person has the right to protect themselves. If I was a criminal, and I had a choice to be a criminal in Chicago or Texas....I would choose Chicago for obvious reasons.

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I've changed my mind on this over the years. I used to support the handgun ban in Chicago, but I don't anymore.
What was your reasoning before?

Not knocking you, Eric, just curious why you felt that way.

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I grew up on Chicago's south side in the '60's and '70's, when racial tensions and handy guns made for some bad outcomes.

I've never felt the need to carry in Chicago, New York City (Bronx), or LA where I've lived (never felt that threatened or that the streets were that dangerous for me), but at this point, I personally believe that the 2nd Amendment confers a personal right to possess firearms, and the Chicago ban should be found UC.

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What was your reasoning before?

Not knocking you, Eric, just curious why you felt that way.
Not sure exactly. I was born and raised in the city and that was my only reference point. Thats all I knew. It was un-common to be around them or be around people who "legally" owned them. Plus all the bad press about handgun violence. So more guns must be a bad idea.

But when you step back and look at the big picture and look at the entire country, then things change. Its common place all around the country. And people absolutly have a right to protect themselves. That right shouldn't depend on where you live. You can argue that the people who need to protect themselves the most, (Chicagoans), are the ones who are denied that right.

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I just don't think its right that I don't' get to own a handgun. i don't want one for protection, but more for sport (target shooting). I think it's crap I can't have one, but in a time when the government runs our companies and chooses our health care I see this as another freedom I won't get in this state.

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Glad I live 1 block away from Chicago rather than in Chicago. Hope the ban gets reversed for them though.

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blame the people who vote for Daley. They are the ones approving this expenditure.




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blame the people who vote for Daley. They are the ones approving this expenditure.
Why on earth are you going to blame dead people for this?
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I am pissed off that my tax dollars are being wasted hiring lawyers and in other assorted legal fees all to fight against our govt who is also using our money for it's legal fees because my city refuses to play by the rules that our damn country was built on.
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Any clue when this will be scheduled for?

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Any clue when this will be scheduled for?
They said early next year.


This is from Richard Roeper who leans way left.

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If there were no guns in Chicago, I'd be adamantly in favor of keeping it that way.

But as we all know, that ain't ever happening. Hundreds and hundreds of bad guys are armed to the teeth.

I suppose one or two otherwise law-abiding citizens of our great city keep a gun in the house as well. They know it's a crime, but nobody's going to tell them they don't have the right to defend themselves.

Now here's where I'm supposed to take the liberal stance and cite anecdotal evidence about gun owners who accidentally shoot themselves or a family member in the dark of night.

But you know what? Seeing as how all those bad guys have guns and we're never going to be able to separate them from their weaponry, I say if you live in Chicago and want to buy a gun for protection, you should have that right.

We can debate from now until forever about the meaning of the Second Amendment and that whole "well-regulated militia" deal, but the reality in 2009 is we have a criminal element with ready and easy access to everything from Glocks to .357s to 9mm semi-automatics. If you feel you need a gun to protect your home and your family, you should be able to do so.

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