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Just got a new Glock 17. Looking for recommendations on a leather CCW holster. Also, has anyone gone to the 3.5 lb trigger pull connector? If so, how is it? Any other mod info would be appreciated.

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Just got a new Glock 17. Looking for recommendations on a leather CCW holster. Also, has anyone gone to the 3.5 lb trigger pull connector? If so, how is it? Any other mod info would be appreciated.
i dont have much time to post a lot but i am suggesting to NOT modify the trigger if your going to carry it for self defense!

1st and foremost glock trigger/safety combo is crap! i have seen AD's i dont know how many times with the stock 4-5lb pull




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I agree completely. You don't want a sensitive trigger on a Self Defense pistol when you are in a situation and your adrenals are pumping, and all the training you have go out the window. There is a better chance of you shooting yourself, or someone besides your intended target in that situation. And even if you did hit your target, you'd have some explaining to do on every point of the incident, from the type of holster you have, to the bullets you use, to any mods done to the gun.

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OK, nix the light trigger. How about a good holster for CC?

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I owuld never mod a Glock trigger, those things are unsafe as it is. I wouldn't carry with a round chambered.




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OK, nix the light trigger. How about a good holster for CC?
Sorry, I can't help you there. I've never had the opportunity to CC, so all my holsters are tactical.

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Check with Rob and Ponch, I believe they are into Com-tac's or something like that




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From what I've read and heard, most of the AD's are actually ND's with the Glocks. Get the finger off the trigger if not ready to fire. The newer models have better frames and pass the frisbee test.

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Comp-tac FTW! They're kydex though.
For leather, Don Hume is the way to go.

I've run all of the various so-called 3.5 trigger bars; Glock OEM, Scherer, etc. I say so called because they don't actually reduce the pull to 3.5 lbs. It's actually around 4lbs with the 3.5 connector.

If you want to talk Glock mods, I can talk your ear off.
My personal setup is a Ghost Rocket 3.5 connector w/ overtravel stop and an extra power firing pin spring. The internals are all polished and deburred and I have a few other "proprietary" tricks to make the pull super smooth and crisp. FWIW, this a pistol I carry every day, BTW. I'm a huge fan of the Ghost products. They have a 5.5 connector with the overtravel stop as well.

And it's true, most AD are actually NDs. There's nothing unsafe about a Glock, and faults are due to a loose nut behind the trigger.

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Go chase some one through the woods or deploy in full swat gear. There is issues.



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Go chase some one through the woods or deploy in full swat gear. There is issues.
That IS a valid argument, but this is for self defense ONLY so I won't be chasing anyone. I just wanted a simple, super dependable semi-auto with lots-o-rounds.

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That IS a valid argument, but this is for self defense ONLY so I won't be chasing anyone. I just wanted a simple, super dependable semi-auto with lots-o-rounds.
What, you don't want to play Mall Ninja? You have to get a ton of "tactical" gear to be cool, ya know

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Go chase some one through the woods or deploy in full swat gear. There is issues.
The least of which have to do with a gun trigger at that point.
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All this talk about Glock triggers being crap...


Anyone ever had an AD that was the fault of the trigger?

Anyone ever HEARD of an AD that was the fault of the trigger?


I agree on not doing the trigger job if you're going to carry Condition One. Otherwise, if you have good trigger control/discipline, you'll be fine with a lighter trigger. The first thing I'd do to the pistol would be an extended mag release though.

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I put over 5k rounds through my glock 22 and never had a problem with AD. The only jam I ever had with it was when I was experimenting with light loads. I tried less and less powder until I saw how little I could put in and have the pistol fully cycle. Left that one totally stock. I had a well modded glock 22 also and hated it with a lighter trigger. I swapped back to the stock immidiately. I liked the ghost ring sights on it.
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the main point i am trying to make is if anything gets in or around the trigger area and the pistol is locked and loaded and slight mistake and something enters the trigger well it could cause to pop one off.

sitting in the car and something on the seat jams in there, a branch, sliding it in the holster and you carry a cell phone with those small antenna, i dont know the possibility's are endless.

but if you have a slide safety now you have a true 2 stage safety, or a 1911 which is a 3 stage.

thats the point i am addressing.

take it or leave it but thats my advise which is VERY extensive in this type of stuff.

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Ken makes very good points. I only used my glock for combat shooting, target, and home defense. If I were doing "tactical" I might choose somethin else. Hard to beat a 1911.
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forgot to make the point of insulting everyone "sorry here is comes"

if the boys in black that train hundreds and some thousands of hours a year and still can make errors with glocks "and many more with high stress mental erros and combat situations" and switch to 1911's, sigs, etc then sure as shit any of you guys will surely might have a mistake when the pressure and risk of your life is in jeopardy take out as many "negative possibility's" you can and stake the odds in your favor "gear AND TACTICS"


best advise is not only taking someone elses that has more knowledge about what your wondering but GO RUN AND GUN and put yourself into high stress full on contact training to get the right training, find the right gear, and most of all prepare and instill the GOOD habits that will become instinct!

and this concludes my advise to this thread.


i have shared all i could with you guys.

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BTW, I have a 1911 Colt 45ACP Gold Cup too. I know how nice they are. Seventeen rounds onboard were very temping though.

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Ken makes very good points. I only used my glock for combat shooting, target, and home defense. If I were doing "tactical" I might choose somethin else. Hard to beat a 1911.
Hard to beat a 1911 for a tactical sidearm... are you joking?

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Sorry Brian, I meant hard to beat a 1911 for general use. I regret selling my glock 22. I looked for a replacement, and found nothing I liked. I'm buying another glock to replace the one I sold.

I'm probably using the wrong wording, I consider combat shooting on a range in competition. Shooting targets of bad guys, ect. My wording is off. Consider the source.

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Sorry Brian, I meant hard to beat a 1911 for general use. I regret selling my glock 22. I looked for a replacement, and found nothing I liked. I'm buying another glock to replace the one I sold.
Ohh hell yeah, a 1911 is a great pistol don't get me wrong, but they're like 1970s era muscle cars. Cool looking and hold street cred in the eyes of older guys/traditionalists but the fact of the matter is that they just don't run well unless you're dropping hundreds to thousands of dollars into aftermarket parts. For a "Tactical pistol" you want reliability, large capacity, ease of use and light weight (as in a tactical setting, it will be a backup, use your pistol to fight your way back to your rifle), given those criteria, it's REALLY hard to beat any of the following:

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As much as I love shooting a 1911, in a tactical setting, I'll take a Glock 17/19/26 with 30k rounds downpipe that has never been cleaned over a box-stock 1911 any day of the week. They're just better engineered pistols.

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If you make any trigger mod, I suggest going the other way. I had the NY Trigger (10lb) im my 23 and my back-up 27. To me it felt alot better and safer.

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I'm glad someone brough up the NY trigger.

Anyway, real world will always differ from lab testing. A STOCK glock has never failed a drop test for me. We load a piece of brass wih a primer in it into the chamber and toss them at diffrent heights etc.... not one has failed. This is the extent of LAB testing. Real world as keen described in the woods or with gear on is a diffrent ball game. I have seen Benelli shotguns go off in the field becuase people use them to clear brush ahead of them and as they stepped a branch got in th etrigger gaurd and the forward movement of walking generated enough fore that the branch pulled the trigger b4 it broke.

Back to modified guns and CC. In a real CC scenario you will be acting much diffrent than a normal day at the range. You would be surprised how much things change. Run around the block once then come home and go straight to dry firing practice..... your trigger pull will be 1000x diffrent. Adrenaline, heart rate, etc all play key factors into your performance. A day at the range is nothing. Leave the reduced power trigers for target and the stock or increased pulls for CC.

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can a reduced trigger pull work for CC..........YES. But it requires a skill level not easily mastered and it is a skill of both ethe firearm and technique

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