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Shotguns!

lets talk about shotguns. i might be in the market soon

what to look for?
brands to stay away from?
things to look for?
what to buy?
gauge, loading, amount of ammo it can hold, ect.

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id like semi auto (unless pump isnt a big deal, i never even shot a shotgun)

a pistol style grip.

gauge isnt a huge deal, it will be for home defense if anything, or shooting squirrels

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I dont think you know what you want or need a shotgun for based on what youve written above
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id like semi auto (unless pump isnt a big deal, i never even shot a shotgun)

a pistol style grip.

gauge isnt a huge deal, it will be for home defense if anything, or shooting squirrels
Do you mean pistol grip WITHOUT a stock? If you've never shot a shotgun, and want one without a stock, you're in for a big nasty surprise when it comes to recoil and manageability.

Gauge is a big deal, if you want it for home defense. A .410 might be adequate for squirrels, but is arguably not suited for defense purposes.

Pump will be cheaper than semi-auto. They're also arguably more reliable, as there's less things that can go wrong mechanically.
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Do you mean pistol grip WITHOUT a stock? If you've never shot a shotgun, and want one without a stock, you're in for a big nasty surprise when it comes to recoil and manageability.

Gauge is a big deal, if you want it for home defense. A .410 might be adequate for squirrels, but is arguably not suited for defense purposes.

Pump will be cheaper than semi-auto. They're also arguably more reliable, as there's less things that can go wrong mechanically.
ok this is good info, ill just say stupid shit and you guys correct me.

what gauges are there and what is recommended.

and is it completely violent without the stock? is it manageable at all? (im not a big dude, 5'10" 155)

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id like semi auto (unless pump isnt a big deal, i never even shot a shotgun)

a pistol style grip.

gauge isnt a huge deal, it will be for home defense if anything, or shooting squirrels
Get serious about the purchase or dont waste our time.
Do you even have a foid card?

Do the leg work on your own and get the BASIC info about a shotgun 1st. At this point with teh kind of shit you've written so far I don't even want to point you in the direction of a library.

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Get serious about the purchase or dont waste our time.
Do you even have a foid card?

Do the leg work on your own and get the BASIC info about a shotgun 1st. At this point with teh kind of shit you've written so far I don't even want to point you in the direction of a library.

I could see myself walking into Willy World and saying, I'd like a bike with 2 wheels and a motor.
dont assume shit, i have a foid and 3 hand guns. im more or less looking for why someone would pic a brand or style or what not. what other prefer. opinions may sway my decision

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I didnt make an assumption. I asked a direct question.
DO YOU HAVE A FOID.
Your answer was yes. The fact hat you have handguns in neither here nor there.

What set me off was this post:

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id like semi auto (unless pump isnt a big deal, i never even shot a shotgun)

a pistol style grip.

gauge isnt a huge deal, it will be for home defense if anything, or shooting squirrels
The 1st post was good, basicly sayong I know nothing and am looking for help. The next post made it seem TO ME that it was a no big deal thing I just want a shotgun to be cool. That's why I posted what I posted and didnt beat around teh bush.

Now that we got that out in the open, if youd still like my opinion I will post a little later since I am at work right now. And if you want me to ram my opinion up my ass I would understand that too.

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Ignore my PM, I didn't read this until after. That Weatherby isn't what you're looking for.

You want one of the following:

Semi-Auto:
Remington 1100

Pump:
Remington 870

Mossberg 500

Mossberg 590

Any of the above you can get a pistol grip/AR stock for, each can carry at least 5 rounds in the tube. I'd stick 12ga for HD, I'd also run #4 Buckshot to prevent overpenetration, but that is personal preference. Lastly, all 4 of those are FANTASTIC shotguns and cheap too.

You can customize the shot out of them too (pun intended). Start with this:



Turn it into this:




Then you can switch back and have a functional bird gun should the need arise.


FWIW, you ABSOLUTELY want a stock on this thing, especially if you are new to shotguns.

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Ponch, this ain't the hole dude, dial it down.
Am i blurrring the lines already..... I'm sorry!

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SD, that's an awesome setup!
Thanks man, cheap as hell too.

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Thanks man, cheap as hell too.

Sits next to my bed waiting for someone to break into the wrong house.
Just to get an idea, how cheap we talkin here?

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I picked up a Rem. 870 for the same purpose. HD mostly, but I do enjoy going out shooting trap and skeet on occasion. Obviously, there are better guns for each individual purpose, just as there is no one perfect bike for all types of riding. Personally, I went with a 20GA. Just as a FYI Milkman, the smaller the guage #, the larger the diameter of the barrel. 12 is the most popular all around guage. I felt that 20 was a good compromise for my wife to be able to enjoy shooting the gun as well. Additionally, as Bek mentioned, depending on the type of shell used, over penetration of walls can be minimized if not eliminated. May not be important to you now, but for me with a new born on the way, it is critical.
The Remington 870 comes in a nice combo package as well, includes one bird barrel, one HD barrel. I think Cabella's has this package on sale in their latest flier, FWIW.

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I picked up a Rem. 870 for the same purpose. HD mostly, but I do enjoy going out shooting trap and skeet on occasion. Obviously, there are better guns for each individual purpose, just as there is no one perfect bike for all types of riding. Personally, I went with a 20GA. Just as a FYI Milkman, the smaller the guage #, the larger the diameter of the barrel. 12 is the most popular all around guage. I felt that 20 was a good compromise for my wife to be able to enjoy shooting the gun as well. Additionally, as Bek mentioned, depending on the type of shell used, over penetration of walls can be minimized if not eliminated. May not be important to you now, but for me with a new born on the way, it is critical.
The Remington 870 comes in a nice combo package as well, includes one bird barrel, one HD barrel. I think Cabella's has this package on sale in their latest flier, FWIW.

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For another 12 gauge semi that is good but inexpensive look at the Mossberg 930 SPX for around $600. I added the Choate stock. Tons of fun to shoot. Hold 7 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. I got a few hundred rounds thru mine. When it was brand spankin new I tried some target loads. It choked on those (not enough power to cycle the action) but anything full power or 3" will work fine. Other than weak loads it has never had an issue.

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ok, lots of good info coming in. i understand the smaller the gauge, the larger the diameter (similar to wires) but i was unaware of all the gauges available

20 gauge sounds a bit more up my alley as the woman may use it as well.

SD, that shotgun with the AR stock and pistol grip is bad! ( if i said that right)
that looks to be what my mind was imagining when i thought shot gun.

last time at midwest when i was firing at the range, i was looking at their guns and they had a shot gun for $350, brand and detail i am unaware. i am a noob, anyways. it is probably really basic.

also, the reason i sais (if the pump isnt a big deal) is i never pumped a shot gun before, i dont know if its a pain in the dick or not, or if you guys suggest to stay away, thats why i said that. all good info thanks and keep it coming

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Pump shotguns are super easy to handle and manipulate. Some would argue that the racking of a shotgun is a more effective HD deterent than the shotgun itself.
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Pump shotguns are super easy to handle and manipulate. Some would argue that the racking of a shotgun is a more effective HD deterent than the shotgun itself.
It is this reason I do not keep my shotgun chambered. Besides the fact that it's safer, I feel that if someone walks in my back door and hears the racking of a shotgun, they may think twice about continuing in.

Besides, my GSD looks mean but is such a baby she might just run up to the bad guy and beg for a belly rub.

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First make friends with a lot of disposable income.

Make sure aid friend likes top of the line stuff.

This friend also needs to go all in on hobbies.

Wait for hobbies to switch. Shooting to Fishing

Swoop in like vulture when a Bennlli is put up for sale.


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Last but not least. Listen to Ponch and do not argue with him. He take these things very seriously and likes to help when he can.
there was no argument, he thought i was some noob who wanted to buy a shot gun so i would feel like the terminator or something instead of answering the questions on hand.

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