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Shot My 1st Deer

I've been bow hunting for 2.5 years and have not had a shot at a deer until yesterday. Actually, I have had shots, but passed because I didn't want to take a shot out of my range. Anyway, it was a small buck that I would have passed on if it weren't my first deer ever. I would post picks, but the bad news is I can't find it.

My first mistake was looking too early. It was a good shot that hit the left lung, but did not pass through. It was slightly quartering away and I think it hit the right shoulder preventing a pass through. I watched it trot through the woods and out of site. I got down after 30 min. to check blood before the sun went down. I found the first blood about 5 yds. from where I shot the deer. It was spattered, bright red blood. So, I kept looking and found none. I backed out and waited until today.

I resumed tracking this morning and followed the trail it took out of the woods. I didn't find any blood in the woods. About 60 yds. out of the woods I found blood and tracked near 5 possible game trails. It was hard tracking as I would only find a little bit of blood about 10-20 yrds. apart. We got a little bit of rain this morning and there are A LOT of leaves that I don't think helped. Anyway, I lost the trail right at all 5 of those trails. Looked for over 2 hours in and around the trails and another hour across a creek and through corn.

I know I should have waited longer...BIG MISTAKE. I think I may have pushed it. I'm not looking forward to another sleepless night thinking about this deer. However, if anyone has any suggestions, please post.


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been there done that. I bet the farmer finds it while combining the corn.
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30 minutes should have been long enough...sucks to lose one like that. Depending on where you are hunting, someone else might have taken a shot at it and kept it as his own trophy.

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Congrats on your first shot. I hope to know that feeling one day. My buddy and I started bow hunting last year. We saw about a dozen deer within 40yrds of us when we went out last November but none of them had a clear path to shoot at. Plus I'm weak when it comes to pulling my bow string slowly so as I tried to draw I scared them away.

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Don't mean to hijack your thread, but work day is almost over and now I started thinking about our upcoming two hunting trips, can't wait.

And back to original programming...good luck with the rest of your hunting trip.

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Don't mean to hijack your thread, but work day is almost over and now I started thinking about our upcoming two hunting trips, can't wait.

And back to original programming...good luck with the rest of your hunting trip.

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Going to Whitefield in Marshall county on 11/21 for pheasant and to Crab Orchard Preserve for deer on 12/2. First year for pheasant so do not really know what to expect, but Crab Orchard is a nice place for deer.

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they make a handheld flashlight thingy that highlights blood, its specifically for hunting

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been there done that. I bet the farmer finds it while combining the corn.
Where bouts are you hunting?
I'm hunting on the Kankakee/Will county border near Rt.113. It's a "hunt club" that I belong to...more for pheasant/quail release.

I'm guessing he bedded down in the corn too. I covered a lot of ground today with no luck. I hate that I didn't harvest the deer especially making what I felt was a good shot.

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I was the only one hunting the property. I've never tried those flash lights that are suppose to make the blood stand out.

For those of you that have tracked a deer, what are things that help? I meant to get something to mark the blood I found. I kept dropping my jacket until I found a new spot. That became a pain. I needed something to flag the spot. I kept working back to where I found blood, but this was my first time. Unfortunately, all my buddies were working and I was the only one looking for blood. I came home w/ a pounding headache.

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This is why I don't like hunting.

Congrats on your first shot, you going to post a thread about the first time you kicked a dog in the head too?
I never post on here but this thread made me do so.

You're proud of a fact that you wounded an animal that is now suffering because you're bored? Bra-fucking-vo. I really wish deer could shoot back, all you "hunters" would get what you got coming. I can see hunting for survival, but for a trophy? WEAK.
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You're proud of a fact that you wounded an animal that is now suffering because you're bored? Bra-fucking-vo. I really wish deer could shoot back, all you "hunters" would get what you got coming. I can see hunting for survival, but for a trophy? WEAK.

Who said anything about hunting just for a trouphy? Notice he said he wanted to harvest it... as in he wanted to use the meat for food. This was not a sport where he left the animal to die just for shits and giggles, but rather use it for a purpose. True, he may not NEED to eat this animal to survive, but unless your a vegan I don't think you have much room to talk in this area. He is not proud that he wounded it, he is proud of the fact that after 4.5 yrs he has learned enough patience and skill to be able to get to within 40yrds of a wild deer as this takes more skill than you may realize.

And as for wounding an animal, I assume you don't have any friends who hunt. I assume this because if you did you would know that we take pride in the fact that we will pass up shots that may not make a clean kill. If an animal is out of range or at a certain angle to us we know that our arrows will not kill the deer rather only wound it and we'll skip the shot.

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You're proud of a fact that you wounded an animal that is now suffering because you're bored? Bra-fucking-vo. I really wish deer could shoot back, all you "hunters" would get what you got coming. I can see hunting for survival, but for a trophy? WEAK.
Maybe you should have kept your streak going.

One, I don't hunt because I'm bored. I hunt because it's my God given right...and I do so ethically. Second, I never stated that I am proud that I wounded an animal that is now suffering. In actuality, the deer is dead and unharvested. That I am not proud of.

Lastly, I do not trophy hunt. I have 1/2 a cow in the freeze along w/ 1/2 a pig. It's cheaper for my family that way and we aren't hurting for food at all. That is why I had plans to donate the meat to the local food pantry through Illinois Sportsmen Against Hunger Program.

So, please don't pass judgement when you don't even have the facts, or know the facts. I can respect that you don't agree with what I do, but I can't respect your close mindedness.


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Congrats on your first shot, you going to post a thread about the first time you kicked a dog in the head too?
No, but I could post a picture of all the pheasant and quail I shot over my dog. I even had to wring the neck of some of them.


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Good point...never thought of it. I was thinking of getting some of those surveyor's flags like when you call Julie. That would be easier and more handy. Thanks for the suggestion.


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But you had a dog to find it and means to dispatch it quickly afterwards.

While I don't personally hunt (animals), I have no issue with it so long as the kill is made quickly and the animal does not suffer unduly. It doesn't sound like that's what happened here.



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Good point...never thought of it. I was thinking of getting some of those surveyor's flags like when you call Julie. That would be easier and more handy. Thanks for the suggestion.
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But you had a dog to find it and means to dispatch it quickly afterwards.
While I don't personally hunt (animals), I have no issue with it so long as the kill is made quickly and the animal does not suffer unduly. It doesn't sound like that's what happened here.
this shit does happen unfortunately its a fact of life, even outside of human hunting the prey does sometimes escape only to die later from wounds...

all that can be expected is you make every effort to acheive a clean efficient kill and should the prey be able to move you track and finish as quickly as possible to the best of your abilities

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I don't think Bow Hunting ever could be considered making an effort to make a "clean efficient kill". While it might work in the hands of a very skilled user, wouldn't it be considered animal cruelty to kill a Grizzly Bear with a .22LR. Sure, if you get off 200 rounds into the beast, it'll go down, but that's certainly not the right tool for the job. You want to kill something without pain, use the largest reasonable weapon at your disposal; for deer, nothing smaller than a .308.

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While I don't personally hunt (animals), I have no issue with it so long as the kill is made quickly and the animal does not suffer unduly. It doesn't sound like that's what happened here.



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I did not suffer any more than if I had found it. My issue w/ my kill was I did not find the deer. The shot was a good shot. I could have only asked that it been a double lung. I did not gut shot it. I hit a single lung. The lack of blood trail and thick woods prevented me from finding it. The blood I did find was few and far in between. The arrow never broke off and was in the deer as I watched it move through and out of the woods. I will agree that it "suffered" more than a double lung, but not more than a gut shot deer. Regardless, I've already explained it and if you are not a hunter, you won't understand it AND if you are a hunter and have never lost a deer, (kudos to you) you don't know how it makes you feel.

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Who said anything about hunting just for a trouphy? Notice he said he wanted to harvest it... as in he wanted to use the meat for food. This was not a sport where he left the animal to die just for shits and giggles, but rather use it for a purpose. True, he may not NEED to eat this animal to survive, but unless your a vegan I don't think you have much room to talk in this area. He is not proud that he wounded it, he is proud of the fact that after 4.5 yrs he has learned enough patience and skill to be able to get to within 40yrds of a wild deer as this takes more skill than you may realize.

And as for wounding an animal, I assume you don't have any friends who hunt. I assume this because if you did you would know that we take pride in the fact that we will pass up shots that may not make a clean kill. If an animal is out of range or at a certain angle to us we know that our arrows will not kill the deer rather only wound it and we'll skip the shot.

Also, do some research on conservation and you'll read that the number one conservationist is the hunter.
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doc, sorry to hear man. good news if the circle of life will get to him "coyotes"


for the rest of the hunter bashing. please re-frame from it. no one wants to hear your thoughts. IF you eat meat every slaughter house in the world is far worse then what a hunter will do.

dont even get me started as i worked a slaughter house for 2 years way back in the day.



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you Anti's are idiots
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yes, get a roll of orange flagging tape-HD or Menards-youll pay 3 times more at a sporting goods store.

What preserve are you a member? Im trying to think whats down that way -I think Ive been to most of them.

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doc, sorry to hear man. good news if the circle of life will get to him "coyotes"


for the rest of the hunter bashing. please re-frame from it. no one wants to hear your thoughts. IF you eat meat every slaughter house in the world is far worse then what a hunter will do.

dont even get me started as i worked a slaughter house for 2 years way back in the day.
When I went back today, I was hoping to find him, but I was sure I would only find a carcass as DNR has a coyote extraction area 1/4mile away due to the large numbers in the area.

I've replayed the whole sequence through my mind. I know I will be doing this for some time, but the only thing I can think of is that the arrow blocked the entry point preventing a blood trail. I also think my Montec G5 broadheads don't create as much trauma as some of the other broadheads on the market. I've had 2 buddies w/ similar problems w/ the G5s not having a full pass through. I just know you don't need to have a complete pass through to have good blood. Just sort of dumbfounded and frustrated w/ the outcome.


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What preserve are you a member? Im trying to think whats down that way -I think Ive been to most of them.

I could tell you stories of missed shots, not recovering animals..but it would bring tears to my eyes
+1 it happens, thankfully i have never lost one. i know i would feel like utter shit if i couldn't find it.

but me? i dont hunt for food though "sure ill eat it" i hunt for the sport!!

i give the meat to those that can use it more then me.

i love the hunt!!!



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What do you mean by this? That's all I'm saying here.
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i stayed away from defining hunting, sitting in a tree stand is not sport in my oppinion.
the sport is in the stalk .02 thats all nothing further from me on this aspect

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When I went back today, I was hoping to find him, but I was sure I would only find a carcass as DNR has a coyote extraction area 1/4mile away due to the large numbers in the area.

I've replayed the whole sequence through my mind. I know I will be doing this for some time, but the only thing I can think of is that the arrow blocked the entry point preventing a blood trail. I also think my Montec G5 broadheads don't create as much trauma as some of the other broadheads on the market. I've had 2 buddies w/ similar problems w/ the G5s not having a full pass through. I just know you don't need to have a complete pass through to have good blood. Just sort of dumbfounded and frustrated w/ the outcome.


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