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Knee pain.

Ok I've been running just about everyday the last few months. usually 2 miles a day day on the tread mill. my knees have been hurting a bit for a while but i usually just push through it and it stops hurting so I can keep running. But now my knees are starting to hurt to the point that its getting hard to run. I can still walk fast, but the running impact is hurting too much. any ideas, would some sort of brace help? anyone else have this and have a work around?




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How old are your shoes? How much do you stretch pre and post run? Tread Mills are the worst for Knee Pain too

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Actualy I jsut bought a new pair of reboks the other day, My dog ate my old ones. Stuiped dog!

I do some stretchs before hand, but mostly after, every damn article on streching seems to conflict itself on wether its better to stretch before or after.

I alwasy thought the treadmill woudl be better since it gives some compared to concrete.




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Sorry to say but everyone who said stretching will help knee pain is completely and utterly wrong............

Since when does stretching a muscle have anything to do with knee joint pain.

HDTony. Make sure you walk for a little bit before you start running to properly warm up your joints that should minimize the pain.

I also agree that shoes do play a big role.

And in actuality, the treadmill has built in springs to help minimize joint impact.

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are they running shoes? ease into a running pace, get your joints warm.

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Sorry to say but everyone who said stretching will help knee pain is completely and utterly wrong............

Since when does stretching a muscle have anything to do with knee joint pain.

HDTony. Make sure you walk for a little bit before you start running to properly warm up your joints that should minimize the pain.

I also agree that shoes do play a big role.

And in actuality, the treadmill has built in springs to help minimize joint impact.

Where do people get there info????

my experience has been that most joint pain when working out, not all, is tendon related.

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Ok I've been running just about everyday the last few months. usually 2 miles a day day on the tread mill. my knees have been hurting a bit for a while but i usually just push through it and it stops hurting so I can keep running. But now my knees are starting to hurt to the point that its getting hard to run. I can still walk fast, but the running impact is hurting too much. any ideas, would some sort of brace help? anyone else have this and have a work around?
See right there you said your own solution. If you push through the pain for a while it eventually goes away. You need to warm up your joints before putting the load of running on them.

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My own old ass knees ALWAYS feel twice their age after the tread mill but I am better on the street - I hat to slam the Bok's but they are not the best true running shoe - If you have any running stores by you, stop in and have them analyse your run and recommend a shoe - Saucony is my brand o choice

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You need prescription orthotics

I had this problem back when I ran every day, and I went to my chiropractor (one who specializing in sports medicine-type stuff, NOT one of those voodoo doctors) and after a few visits with chiropractic adjustments and getting fitted for prescription orthotics, that problem was 100% gone and has never returned.

Going forward, though, he/she will likely advise you to vary it up with cross training, and not run so much. I was told that running every day is not good for anyone. Huge impact, huge injury risk...but the orthotics are a GODSEND.

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yes running shoes. I usually do a fast walk for 3 minutes then ease into a jog, today I had to walk to about 10 minutes before I could get the jog going. then ran till the 25 minute mark then finished out the last 5 walking. I usuallu run from the 3 minute mark to the 25 minute mark between 4.5 to 5 miles per hour.




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my experience has been that most joint pain when working out, not all, is tendon related.
that is true....but you don't stretch tendons.... you stretch muscles....stretching tendons is how you get injured.....

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tony .............................. insoles!!!

try hitting a good running shop and get some insoles, alot of knee problems from running are based on misalignment of the foot and knee, a good set of insoles can straiten it up. any good ski shop my have drop in insoles that will help also. try it
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in the end if nothing works, then dont run. pick some sort of other cross training. life is too short to have your workouts be painful.

I put up with that shit in high school and my left rotator gives me trouble with heavy weights to this day. listen to your body.

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And in actuality, the treadmill has built in springs to help minimize joint impact.

Where do people get there info????
I was going of what my trainer told me after I had rehab on my achilies - My first question was of running again and the knee pain

I am by no means a pro but everyones body reacts to differnt situations differntly - For me, tread mills just kill me but the street is all good

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any particular strechs i should be doing specificly before running?




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See right there you said your own solution. If you push through the pain for a while it eventually goes away.....
That's because the neuro-inhibitors are masking the pain. Soon, it's going to hurt all the time.

But yeah, walk for about 5 before starting to jog, and increase your speed as you warm up.

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I love the Nike Shock shoe it has the 4 springs under the heal. I am a bigger person and no bone spurs or knee pain since I have been wearing them

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any particular strechs i should be doing specificly before running?
stretching your legs (calves, quads and hammies) and your lower back all will help the run go easier. but remember to be carefull if you stretch when you are cold because you can injure yourself. best to stretch after your warm up and then get into the run.

but again i don't think that will help knee pain

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any particular strechs i should be doing specificly before running?
this is like asking about motor oil. for every article expounding the virtues of a pre workout stretch there is another one saying post work out, both with studies. I find that stretching my calves, hams, and quads prior to treadmill work gets me looser and more relaxed.

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Damnit I just bought these shoes. Sounding like some other ones might be in order. I am a cheap bastard and hate buying shoes. so ya these were on sale and cheap.

see what i get for my thriftyness.




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in the end if nothing works, then dont run. pick some sort of other cross training. life is too short to have your workouts be painful.

I put up with that shit in high school and my left rotator gives me trouble with heavy weights to this day. listen to your body.

+1. If you're having a good deal of pain running then don't run. Running on hard surfaces such as a treadmill or concrete can be killer on your knees and back. I hate running on that stuff. Grass is much better.

There are other cardio workouts you can go that'll give you a good workout if you put the effort in. Besides, if you keep having pain working out you'll eventually say f*ck it and stop. We wouldn't want that, now would we?

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I love the Nike Shock shoe it has the 4 springs under the heal. I am a bigger person and no bone spurs or knee pain since I have been wearing them
i got those for my wife and she hates them. she is an avid runner and all the runners that she talks to don't like them either. but ofcourse it is different for everybody. the shox have a tendency to put you on your toes more and put more pressure on your arches. if you do alot of long distances that can hurt after a while.

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this is like asking about motor oil. for every article expounding the virtues of a pre workout stretch there is another one saying post work out, both with studies. I find that stretching my calves, hams, and quads prior to treadmill work gets me looser and more relaxed.
Believe me I know, thats what I was eluding too in my other post. All of these articles I read on the subject are so contradictory. and your right its just like the motor oil argument. But I do agree with Hessh, I always worry about injuring my self stretching before I'm warmed up.




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