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Knee trouble: thoughts?

Before we get started I should mention that I plan to see a doctor regarding this, probably an orthopedic.

Backstory: ran a whole bunch in '06 though never a runner in the past, no problems at all. Ran a 5 mile trail race in early Nov. and did something to my knee(left just below the knee cap). Sore for a couple weeks. Took it easy on it and had a 5k on thanksgiving. Started hurting during the race, finished the race anyways. Hurt like hell for about a week and a half. Stairs were really painful, walking was mostly OK, running was out of the question.

current: haven't ran since thankgiving, hoping to give this time to heal since it's cold out anyways. Ran on xmas eve morning, got about a mile in and it started to give me trouble. Another half mile and it was full blown pain. Now i'm back where I started, stairs are really painful, walking is not too bad, running is horrendous.

The pain seems to be just below my left kneecap, and apparently it doesnt rear it's head till I run a bit. Any idea on what the fuck is wrong with this thing? Suggestions on a doc?

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Vcook,

Not sure if you remember, but I had serious knee damage at the beginning of this year. Chondromalaysia, meniscal tear, and a completely destroyed ACL. Got the ACL replaced, and the other things fixed. Did great rehab and was back on the track within 2 months.

I called around and did a lot of ortho research and ended up finding a knee specialist who also specializes in athletes, including many pros.

I suggest getting over to see him as soon as you can. He has three offices, so pick the one closest to you. He did an EXCELLENT job on me.

I think I also have a card for a free consultation that he gave me for friends. Here is the info, Dr. Freedberg, 630-372-1100.

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Thanks Wink, I will probably need to give a call this week. Any idea on the office locations, or is it part of an ortho group?

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It could be your bursa sac - Bursitis http://www.webmd.com/content/article/78/95604.htm

What Is Bursitis?

Bursitis is the inflammation or irritation of the bursa. The bursa is a sac filled with lubricating fluid, located between tissues such as bone, muscle, tendons, and skin, that decreases rubbing, friction, and irritation.

OR

Meniscus Tear - http://www.webmd.com/hw/joint_problems/te7347.asp

Symptoms


Symptoms of a meniscus tear depend on the size and location of the tear and whether other knee injuries occurred along with it. Since there are no nerve endings to the meniscus, pain is due to swelling and injury to surrounding tissues.

Hope this helps, I have had both and I feel your pian....... Literally.

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big sigh over here.

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Chris does it hurt going up the stairs or down or both?

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I gave up running in June...just hurt too damn much, but I have totalled both knees from skiing and dirt riding...now it's just fast paced walking....6 miles a day...but Dec 10th I broke my left leg....spiral fracture So...I'm freaking stuck watching TV....god there is shit on TV...how can you guys watch the crap...sorry off topic and I'm ranting

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Chris does it hurt going up the stairs or down or both?
The pain is less every day, however it hurts going both up and down. If I go one stair at a time and dont really bend the bad knee it's bearable(i.e. step up stair with right leg, pull left up to same stair. repeat).

This is the same way it was after each of my last runs, this type of pain will last up to 2 weeks depending on how long the run was.


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Whatever the reason for the pain, it is a good idea to get an elastic knee support (CVS, Walgreens) and wear it until you see a doctor. It eases things a little and you may actually feel better.

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The pain is less every day, however it hurts going both up and down. If I go one stair at a time and dont really bend the bad knee it's bearable(i.e. step up stair with right leg, pull left up to same stair. repeat).

This is the same way it was after each of my last runs, this type of pain will last up to 2 weeks depending on how long the run was.


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Oh Chris not good dude...usually if it hurts going down it's the ACL going up ICL, have you been changing running shoes often enough? My brother is always on my case, I always running on mine way past their "due date" he goes thru a pair every 60 days...but he runs monster miles a week...70 to 80. Ok...surfing netflix as we speak.

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I know you're focusing on the more recent things w/ regards to possible damage but is there any history of bad knee habits?

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Do you do things where you stand and 'pivot' your hips or upper body while keeping the feet still (and in turn put side pressure on the knee).

Little things like that can build up over years and slowly (and unnoticeably) build up scar tissue which can one day just rear its ugly head and bite you in the ass.

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running shoes have low mileage(hell I cant even run that far, and I dont do it often enough). As for bad habits, like planted pivots, I don't have any that I know of.

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Can't help ya here and wouldn't want to try either. Reason being is that it's better to err on the safe side in this case. If it's just bad shoes or form then ok...but if you're talking bad pain and trouble walking up the stairs then me telling you to try new shoes or any other method could make a small problem much bigger. There's a difference between getting a slight pain every once in a while or soreness, to what you're describing.
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Thanks Wink, I will probably need to give a call this week. Any idea on the office locations, or is it part of an ortho group?
Chris,

He has three locations, and he has a partner. However, he personally specializes in knees. The locations are Hoffman Estates, Bartlett and Elk Grove Village. Company name is Suburban Orthopaedics.

I checked the free consulation is with Advanced Physical, not with Freedberg. They do all the rehab for him. Dr. Freedberg shares the Advanced Physical location in Hoffman Estates.

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sounds like it might just be tendonitus (sp?). I had this for years before I tore the ACL and got into more serious issues. the big patella tendon gets stretched and worn and hurts like a bastard.

+ 1 on Freedberg. he did my scope.

another option would be to see a chiropractor. Olympic chiropractic in Bartlett treats a ton of runners/athletes. I'm doing my knee rehab there, and they've also fixed my elbow, and rehabbed my back after a crash. they work with Freedberg, and can give you a referral if your knee can't be treated without surgery.
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This is Dave's wife. I agree sounds like a call to the doc is in order. Freedberg is great. If he is not in network, check with Tim Petsche , I know he is in Fox Valley and has another office in Elgin. I had a botched knee surgery (from another surgeon) in 2000 and Tim worked wonders to patch me up and make me able to walk almost pain free again. I see a pain doc now for the hyalgan injections (http://www.hyalgan.com/consumer/home.asp ). Make sure to get it checked, even if it feels better. Another suggestion is Dr. Mash, http://chicago.citysearch.com/profil...rand=smx_yp-nc Hope all goes well for you. ~Mandy (Dave's better half )
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BTW, since we're talking about orthopedic surgeons here - does anyone know a good one specializing in shoulder injuries? Mine is screwed up (separated it a while ago), need to fix (vcook, I hope it's OK to ask here since it could be the same doctor).

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I had a miniscus tear that was messing with me for a while til I had surgery last year. Wasn't much too it rehabbed myself and its fine ,they wanted bolth knees Igave them the worst of the two.I aggravated it jumping rope, which I hadn't done in some time,thats part of getting older.
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You want to know what the problem is? The problem that you're are so huge, your joints can't take it. I'll bet your knee problem is from all the creatine.

In all seriousness:
A buddy of mine told me about "Jumper's Knee". I get it about once a year. When I get it, some movements hurt, others don't. One movement where I really feel the pain is when I squat down onto the toliet seat. That hurts, and I usually just fall the rest of the way onto the seat because of the pain.

Here is a link about Jumper's Knee:
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Sorry to hear that Chris. I know it might be a bit of a drive and I know he gets out of the Bourbonnais area (to Frankfort at time), but Dr. Corcoran is excellent. So, good in fact that he's the Bears orthopedic dr. Hope things turn out okay for you!

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I've used Dr. Victor Romano on Lake Street in River Forest a couple of times in the past. I know he is used by Fenwick or OPRF high school sports teams.

You may need to get an MRI.

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Not sure if you remember, but I had serious knee damage at the beginning of this year. Chondromalaysia, meniscal tear, and a completely destroyed ACL.
Was this an overuse injury, or from an accident? Sounds awful either way.

Curious because I'm still a regular runner going on 25 years now. Down to about 25 a week, luckily no major issues.
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---to lazy to read everyone's response (except the 1st one)

---Most likely an ACL as this troubles most runners (I am not a dr though) Also, how often do you change your running shoes every 3 months?
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