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Swimming...

Sucks. And it's harder than it looks.

This will be my official thread to keep me motivated to learn to swim. I've gone to the pool twice in two days to get my feet wet, so to speak, and I can't really make it more than two lengths of the pool without sucking down a gallon of water each time. First lap is good surprisingly, second is a challenge, and I stop after that to cough up water and probably blood. How many strokes do the regular swimmers go before they breathe? I was trying 2 right arms and 2 left arms then breathe, but maybe I should go every set to breathe more?

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They normally go 3 then breath, but right now you should be breathing everytime you stroke to your natural breathing side. You should be getting plenty O2 while you are working on your stroke so you don't tire out so quick. You can work on 3 stroke breathing and double side breathing when you progress. Form is the key to swimming!

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Are you talking free style? It depends on how tired you are, and how fast you're trying to go. I mainly breathe on my left, but whenever i'm out of air I go for it. Get in a rhythm that you can maintain comfortably so that you can think about breathing less, and your stroke more.
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Do you really not know how to swim, like, at all? Do you have a friend that swims that could come show you how to do the strokes properly, or can you get an instructor or in a class? Swimming is not hard when you know the proper way to execute the strokes. I gave Marcus about 10 minutes of coaching and he improved immensely. There are just a couple tips to know that make it so much easier not to swallow a ton of water or drown.
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Do you really not know how to swim, like, at all? Do you have a friend that swims that could come show you how to do the strokes properly, or can you get an instructor or in a class? Swimming is not hard when you know the proper way to execute the strokes. I gave Marcus about 10 minutes of coaching and he improved immensely. There are just a couple tips to know that make it so much easier not to swallow a ton of water or drown.
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Don't try and do full out swimming right off the bat. Split it up and focus on your kicks while using a kickboard and then the next day focus on your arms and put a float in between your legs. Once you are comfortable with those seperately then work on doing the full stroke. When doing the freestyle keep your arms close to your body and try to be as smooth as possible. It's going to be much harder until you learn the proper technique.

Normally I breathe every 3 strokes but when I was competing I would go 5-7, depending on the distance.

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Don't try and do full out swimming right off the bat. Split it up and focus on your kicks while using a kickboard and then the next day focus on your arms and put a float in between your legs. Once you are comfortable with those seperately then work on doing the full stroke. When doing the freestyle keep your arms close to your body and try to be as smooth as possible. It's going to be much harder until you learn the proper technique.

Normally I breathe every 3 strokes but when I was competing I would go 5-7, depending on the distance.
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breathing is always debatable at all levels...

some guys breath every stroke, every 3, or whatever. Alternate breathing keeps you in a nice rhythm if you can be smooth with it. If you struggle to breath on one side I wouldn't focus on it that much.

Don't worry in the triathlon you can wear the "special neon" caps they give bad swimmers. That lets the lifeguards know you might drown :P
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I breathe on the 5th stroke unless I'm doing sprints then it's 7. If I haven't swam in a while and I'm rebuilding, I will breathe on the 3rd for distance, 5th for sprints.

I don't like breathing to the same side every time; if you are used to being able to do everything on both sides, you will never have to worry about hitting the wall on the right stroke or accidentally coming out of a turn too fast/too slow.
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Well then I won't bother offering either.
I tried to offer too and he smacked me down. Apparantly he wants to be stubborn and waste a lot of time and energy doing it wrong instead of listening to real swimmers with coaching experience who can show him the right way from the beginning.

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I breathe on the 5th stroke unless I'm doing sprints then it's 7. If I haven't swam in a while and I'm rebuilding, I will breathe on the 3rd for distance, 5th for sprints.

I don't like breathing to the same side every time; if you are used to being able to do everything on both sides, you will never have to worry about hitting the wall on the right stroke or accidentally coming out of a turn too fast/too slow.
He's going for distance. Probably 1/4 min.

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the biggest mistake I've seen with people just learning is not putting their face into the water. You know trying to swim nose first instead of breaking the water with the top of your head.
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Ken you could try water polo swimming; you get to breathe the whole time, but the downside is I think you'd die.

Maybe try the dog paddle.
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breathing is always debatable at all levels...

some guys breath every stroke, every 3, or whatever. Alternate breathing keeps you in a nice rhythm if you can be smooth with it. If you struggle to breath on one side I wouldn't focus on it that much.

Don't worry in the triathlon you can wear the "special neon" caps they give bad swimmers. That lets the lifeguards know you might drown :P
He's got some good points. I'd consider my self a good swimmer and I breathe every other stroke always on my right side. My friend who is an awesome swimmer swims every stroke even when he's swimming for the ironman. It's most important to be comfortable and get enough oxygen.

Swimming will be tough for a couple months, but then it gets easier. Get a swim workout plan. I have one that takes you from beginner to a mile swimmer in 12 weeks. you swim every other day. It something like below but i can give you the exact workout later.

Week one: 100 yards, (10 breath rest), 50 yrds (6 breaths rest), 50 yrds (6 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest),

Week Two, 200 yards, (10 breath rest), 100 yrds (8 breaths rest), 100 yrds (8 breaths rest), 50yrds (6 breaths rest), 50 yrds (6 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest),

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Breathe every other stroke (IE breathe every stroke you take with your right arm).

Take out the thought process of when to breathe and just get your stroke down, then worry about the specifics. Pick which ever side you're more comfortable with and breathe every stroke.

Remember, you don't have to take your whole head out of the water to breathe, just part of your mouth.

That'll be fine for the casual swimmer. If you want to get serious and compete, then focus on breathing patterns and alternating sides to see where your competition is, etc.

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They normally go 3 then breath, but right now you should be breathing everytime you stroke to your natural breathing side. You should be getting plenty O2 while you are working on your stroke so you don't tire out so quick. You can work on 3 stroke breathing and double side breathing when you progress. Form is the key to swimming!
Every time, meaning every time I throw an arm right? So right, left, breathe, right, left, breathe. Right?

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Are you talking free style? It depends on how tired you are, and how fast you're trying to go. I mainly breathe on my left, but whenever i'm out of air I go for it. Get in a rhythm that you can maintain comfortably so that you can think about breathing less, and your stroke more.
Yep freestyle. First lap I'm not tired, second I am because I am sorta not breathing right and sorta holding my breath a bit after I start sucking down water. I am actually trying to slow down so I can learn breathing first, but when I go slower I sink like a rock. That is exactly what I am trying to do is just get a rhythm so I can work on stuff slowly, but this breathing is jacking me up.

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Do you really not know how to swim, like, at all? Do you have a friend that swims that could come show you how to do the strokes properly, or can you get an instructor or in a class? Swimming is not hard when you know the proper way to execute the strokes. I gave Marcus about 10 minutes of coaching and he improved immensely. There are just a couple tips to know that make it so much easier not to swallow a ton of water or drown.
I can swim like a kid does, but not a swimmer. I actually look good the first lap, and then it all goes to hell on the second. That is basically what I'm looking for right now, is a few tips on what to do and what not to do.

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Don't try and do full out swimming right off the bat. Split it up and focus on your kicks while using a kickboard and then the next day focus on your arms and put a float in between your legs. Once you are comfortable with those seperately then work on doing the full stroke. When doing the freestyle keep your arms close to your body and try to be as smooth as possible. It's going to be much harder until you learn the proper technique.

Normally I breathe every 3 strokes but when I was competing I would go 5-7, depending on the distance.
Gotcha. What's up with the kick? I can kick like a mofo, but is there technique to that? I can see the arm stroke though. I gotta work on that for sure.


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breathing is always debatable at all levels...

some guys breath every stroke, every 3, or whatever. Alternate breathing keeps you in a nice rhythm if you can be smooth with it. If you struggle to breath on one side I wouldn't focus on it that much.

Don't worry in the triathlon you can wear the "special neon" caps they give bad swimmers. That lets the lifeguards know you might drown :P
Oh great, that'll make for a nice picture.

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I breathe on the 5th stroke unless I'm doing sprints then it's 7. If I haven't swam in a while and I'm rebuilding, I will breathe on the 3rd for distance, 5th for sprints.

I don't like breathing to the same side every time; if you are used to being able to do everything on both sides, you will never have to worry about hitting the wall on the right stroke or accidentally coming out of a turn too fast/too slow.
So you think it's important to be able to breathe on both sides then? I'll try it next time. I've only done the left so far.

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No I'm not Miss Diddles, I'm just poking around in the pool right now and picking up tips to mess with. I'm not turning anybody down for help, but right now time is hard to come by with all the cycling I'm doing, so I can't setup a schedule to swim yet. When I can, you will know.

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He's going for distance. Probably 1/4 min.

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Yeah saw that. Scott gave me some DVD on swimming too I'm gonna watch. Just posting up what other people do when they swim and what other problems they have and how they fixed 'em.
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the biggest mistake I've seen with people just learning is not putting their face into the water. You know trying to swim nose first instead of breaking the water with the top of your head.
Face is down flat looking at the bottom of the pool. I need to turn my neck like the Exorcist and I'll be good.

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Originally Posted by Drama View Post
He's got some good points. I'd consider my self a good swimmer and I breathe every other stroke always on my right side. My friend who is an awesome swimmer swims every stroke even when he's swimming for the ironman. It's most important to be comfortable and get enough oxygen.

Swimming will be tough for a couple months, but then it gets easier. Get a swim workout plan. I have one that takes you from beginner to a mile swimmer in 12 weeks. you swim every other day. It something like below but i can give you the exact workout later.

Week one: 100 yards, (10 breath rest), 50 yrds (6 breaths rest), 50 yrds (6 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest),

Week Two, 200 yards, (10 breath rest), 100 yrds (8 breaths rest), 100 yrds (8 breaths rest), 50yrds (6 breaths rest), 50 yrds (6 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest), 25 yrds (4 breaths rest),

and son on.
Well I can only do 50 yards without stopping right now, and that ain't smooth either. Problem right now is my schedule for time, so I never know when I can swim.

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Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
Breathe every other stroke (IE breathe every stroke you take with your right arm).

Take out the thought process of when to breathe and just get your stroke down, then worry about the specifics. Pick which ever side you're more comfortable with and breathe every stroke.

Remember, you don't have to take your whole head out of the water to breathe, just part of your mouth.

That'll be fine for the casual swimmer. If you want to get serious and compete, then focus on breathing patterns and alternating sides to see where your competition is, etc.
I'm gonna try this next time. I think that will help right there, just breathing every other stroke.

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