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I did my 1st track day back in July at RA. Of course I was a bit nervous my first time. Not trying to cause any waves but I felt the instructors sort of pressured me into going much faster than I was comfortable. We weren't given much training on the ins and outs of the track. A few guys dropped their bikes. I rode much better whenever I got behind one of the Control Riders as I could follow their line and really get confident in certain turns. Would like to go out for another track day but could use a little bit of hand holding if that's even possible. Right now I'm trying to pick up a cheaper bike just for track use. Not criticizing the organization...just trying to find a good fit and gain more confidence without feeling intimidating. Again...no disrespect whatsoever.
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If you're looking for a more structured/controlled beginner/novice group, then you may want to try Sportbike Track Time (STT). NESBA is structured more for those that are very comfortable at/above freeway speeds, and with passing/being passed. This is openly covered on NESBA's web site.

That being said, NESBA's has some excellent Control Riders that will take the time to show you the ropes, and help you build your skills progressively. It is your responsibility to ask for help with specifics on what you're needs are. They are not mind readers, and can only help those that are willing to make an effort to help themselves.

On the day of your track day at Road America way back in July, did you approach any of the NESBA staff, or Control Riders, about your concerns? If you had, then I would bet that you would have gotten the help you needed.

Either come back and give NESBA another try while expressing your concerns to the staff, or try out STT and see which one fits your learning style better. No matter what you choose, just make sure to be open to learning, and honest with the staff and yourself about what your needs are.

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WOW you just opened a rant and complained about the CR'S and now your asking them to hold your fucking hand. grow some balls and man up. They are there to guide you and give feed back and handle your concerns if you voice them not hold your hand the whole day.

Maybe they knew you could be faster you just lack to ability to kick your self and do it so they were trying to do it for you

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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If you're looking for a more structured/controlled beginner/novice group, then you may want to try Sportbike Track Time (STT). NESBA is structured more for those that are very comfortable at/above freeway speeds, and with passing/being passed. This is openly covered on NESBA's web site.

That being said, NESBA's has some excellent Control Riders that will take the time to show you the ropes, and help you build your skills progressively. It is your responsibility to ask for help with specifics on what you're needs are. They are not mind readers, and can only help those that are willing to make an effort to help themselves.

On the day of your track day at Road America way back in July, did you approach any of the NESBA staff, or Control Riders, about your concerns? If you had, then I would bet that you would have gotten the help you needed.

Either come back and give NESBA another try while expressing your concerns to the staff, or try out STT and see which one fits your learning style better. No matter what you choose, just make sure to be open to learning, and honest with the staff and yourself about what your needs are.
Thanks for the advice. Very well received. 1st track day. Didn't really know what to expect and didn't have any pre-coaching. So this is useful.
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WOW you just opened a rant and complained about the CR'S and now your asking them to hold your fucking hand. grow some balls and man up. They are there to guide you and give feed back and handle your concerns if you voice them not hold your hand the whole day.

Maybe they knew you could be faster you just lack to ability to kick your self and do it so they were trying to do it for you
C'mon man. Must you reply with some dickish shit every time I post something? Made it really clear that it was my 1st time at the track. Obviously, I didn't know what to expect and now I know. No one is opening a rant or complaining about the organization or the CR's. I believe I took the time to make that clear. And it was only one CR that I thought pushed harder than I was comfortable going. Seriously dude...layoff. I had a genuine concern and needed some direction and I got. Don't try to make it seem as though I'm complaining about the organization as I'm clearly not.
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What STKR said is spot on
That said I figured you were there to pickup those hot girls with umbrellas (shit ain't we all?)
In which case you really really really need to up your game.
Only one or two of the orange t-shirt wearers have ever gotten to that level of the game.

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What STKR said is spot on
That said I figured you were there to pickup those hot girls with umbrellas (shit ain't we all?)
In which case you really really really need to up your game.
Only one or two of the orange t-shirt wearers have ever gotten to that level of the game.

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C'mon man. Must you reply with some dickish shit every time I post something? Made it really clear that it was my 1st time at the track. Obviously, I didn't know what to expect and now I know. No one is opening a rant or complaining about the organization or the CR's. I believe I took the time to make that clear. And it was only one CR that I thought pushed harder than I was comfortable going. Seriously dude...layoff. I had a genuine concern and needed some direction and I got. Don't try to make it seem as though I'm complaining about the organization as I'm clearly not.
Dickish shit dude its called reality and a wake up call. Nothing negative there except your complaint. Its pretty simple if you have a concern or dont know ask say something. its like with life in general. u stated they were pushing you faster think about why maybe cause they figured you could handle it. Read between the lines

And yes this is a complaint and i quote
Not trying to cause any waves but I felt the instructors sort of pressured me into going much faster than I was comfortable.

read outside your box you might see that im not attacking you based on your name calling in your other thread

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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What STKR said is spot on
That said I figured you were there to pickup those hot girls with umbrellas (shit ain't we all?)
In which case you really really really need to up your game.
Only one or two of the orange t-shirt wearers have ever gotten to that level of the game.

Generally I just bring my own but that's how I roll
Agreed...on the STKR spot on. And you're never gonna let go of me picking up chicks everywhere I go...are ya? Damn...I brought this upon myself. I know I got more licks coming. I can handle it.
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Dickish shit dude its called reality and a wake up call. Nothing negative there except your complaint. Its pretty simple if you have a concern or dont know ask say something. its like with life in general. u stated they were pushing you faster think about why maybe cause they figured you could handle it. Read between the lines

And yes this is a complaint and i quote
Not trying to cause any waves but I felt the instructors sort of pressured me into going much faster than I was comfortable.

read outside your box you might see that im not attacking you based on your name calling in your other thread
Cool. If ur not attacking then no harm done and you can ignore my last post. Deal? But honestly...enough with the life lessons. I get the point. We can move on now.
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[QUOTE=stkr;1807124]If you're looking for a more structured/controlled beginner/novice group, then you may want to try Sportbike Track Time (STT). [QUOTE]

this is all the advice you need, nothing more
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Dats why they call it a swift kick in the ass cause you never know when its coming.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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Do you think it had something to do with your bike? I know at my first track day, and now (I have done 3 days) I wouldn't want an 848 as a bike. Too much power and $$$. I loved doing those days on my SV650. Plenty of power for what I was doing, damn near indestructible, and if I crashed my bike I wouldn't cry about losing a bunch of money. Maybe keep the 848 for the street and pick up a low buck track only bike. Another member here has a 1098s for the street, and a SV650 for the track.
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Do you think it had something to do with your bike? I know at my first track day, and now (I have done 3 days) I wouldn't want an 848 as a bike. Too much power and $$$. I loved doing those days on my SV650. Plenty of power for what I was doing, damn near indestructible, and if I crashed my bike I wouldn't cry about losing a bunch of money. Maybe keep the 848 for the street and pick up a low buck track only bike. Another member here has a 1098s for the street, and a SV650 for the track.
Without a doubt that definitely had something to do with it. Yeah I felt I could have gone faster but the idea of laying down an 848 really made me hold back a lot. And of course that is no fault of the CRs. I guess when you're out there for your first time it's hard to determine where exactly is the butterflies are stemming from. Hopefully I can grab a track bike next season. Thanks for the advice. Some folks seem to have forgotten what it was like their 1st time. Didn't help that the ambulance had to come out on the track on my very 1st run. Again thanks for the advice. It helps.
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Both iamnotgreg and myself have perfect track day bikes for sale. Pick one up, neither will break the bank, and are prolly cheaper than repairing that 848 from even a simple tip over.
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Dude give it up already, it's listed in the for sale section

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Both iamnotgreg and myself have perfect track day bikes for sale. Pick one up, neither will break the bank, and are prolly cheaper than repairing that 848 from even a simple tip over.
haha hey dave that just made me think - my bike is PERFECT for him



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You'll get more comfortable at the track if you get back out there...

RA is a tough track to do your first track day - it's a long, super high speed venue. It can actually be dangerous to go too slowly there, especially on the front straight. The closing speeds can be pretty extreme. That could be why the CR you worked with may have pushed you to increase your pace.

I would suggest that you hit one of the shorter midwest tracks for your next day - Blackhawk Farms, Putnam Park, and Autobahn North are all good options.

If you decide to come out with NESBA again we've got an event at Putnam Park in October. Check in with the CR's, let us know what you want to work on, and we'll help you out...

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Sounds about like my first track day, also at RA. Also sounds like a B NESBA day. I expected a more relaxed environment instead of sink or swim my first track day too.

STT has a better 1st day Novice program for sure, they take you up slowly as where NESBA throws you to the wolves (so to speak).

All that being said, I love my NESBA CR friends and fellow riders, most of them would agree that STT offers a way more structured Novice group. After you get a bit more comfortable on the track NESBA is an excellent place to be too. The CR's definitely are some of the best out there.

Screw the haters above, they muddy up all the threads, welcome to CLSB . Get back out there and enjoy. Ride your own ride and progress at a pace that fits your needs. There's usually someone slower and always someone faster and if you happen to be the slowest out there, good for you. I never mind overtaking a slower rider and am happy to see people using their heads instead of their egos. Good luck out there.
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listen to jim... stkr

next time wont be so unnerving cus u kno the drill...ull do fine

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Not trying to cause any waves but I felt the instructors sort of pressured me into going much faster than I was comfortable.
That is, you realize, the whole point: to go just a bit faster that you feel comfortable going (but not so fast that you fall apart). You do that, and then you succeed, and then it's not uncomfortable to go so fast. The pressure accomplishes that very well, if it's properly applied.

Naturally, all of this works best if you're not going so fast that you stand the bike up and go off. So if the pressure really gets too much, just drop back. One of two things will usually happen: either the instructor will drop back too and match your pace, or will take off and find someone else to work with. Either way you should talk it over with the instructor at the end of the session.

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I say if you got the deep pockets then rock the 848 on the track. That bike is badass.

You should try STT and sign up for Novice. There Novice program is very well run and they build up speed and skill sets throughout the day.
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