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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 10-17-2006, 07:16 PM Thread Starter
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Thx Wink & Ron

In just three weekends I've improved my body position a lot, thanks to the guidance from you guys and all the NESBA control riders.

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This past weekend I was constantly noticing and correcting in mid-turn when I didn't have my head low enough or wasn't weighting the inside peg, or not doing something else quite right. Now I just need to work on getting my knee lower than my toes, as I've pegged and dragged my toes a couple times, but my knee pucks are still unscathed. I think some rearsets will help a lot as I can't sit off any farther without my outside foot starting to come off the peg.

I'm also starting to be able to feel the bike more as I don't hold my weight into the bars anymore, but support myself with my legs. I could feel the rear tire slipping in T7 in the mornings and could really feel how the chassis would react to slight changes in throttle input.

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thats awesome this is too much fun I experienced some of the same improvement myself in three track days

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Looking good Jeff. I have some pics of you that Greg took that show an even better body position of you at Putnam. I'll try to post one tomorrow for ya.

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Looking good man I'm hoping next season Wink, Ron, or one of the CRs can help me out too. My second time at Blackhawk I tried getting off the bike more than I usually do and my outside foot came off the peg. I don't know, I just really didn't feel very comfortable doing that. Is it harder for a shorter rider like shadrach and myself to drag knee?

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how short are you guys?


not being a dick....just wondering
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Looking good man I'm hoping next season Wink, Ron, or one of the CRs can help me out too. My second time at Blackhawk I tried getting off the bike more than I usually do and my outside foot came off the peg. I don't know, I just really didn't feel very comfortable doing that. Is it harder for a shorter rider like shadrach and myself to drag knee?
Jamie. Are you using rearsets? If you spend some $$ you can get the fancy kinds that are adjustable. Getting the bike to fit you, and you to fit the bike goes a long ways to riding well. I would like to have my pegs even higher on my Aprilia. I want to change the way my knee interacts with the seat and gas tank area a little. I may make my own pegs that are eccentric adjustable or redo the seat to lower it's height.


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post #12 of 30 (permalink) Old 10-18-2006, 08:19 AM Thread Starter
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how short are you guys?


not being a dick....just wondering
I'm 5'5"-5'6", which is a hell of a lot taller than Pedrosa. Which means if he can do it then so can I with the proper setup, and also if I ever meet him I can apply a proper beat-down as well

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You are definately looking good. You mentioned getting the knee lower and the toes higher. Get the toes tucked in tight to the frame, so they won't touch down. Angle your foot so the sole points a little toward the frame to get your knee can flex more easily. Raise the heal up, but keep the toes tucked. You have to tuck in the toes as the first step, just because they'll get knocked off the pegs or scape the ground if you don't, which is just distracting and annoying.

As for the knee, I would just work on the toe, and the speed. As your speed improves, your lean angle will become greater, and your knee will get closer and closer to the ground. Your body position is very good. Don't mess with it just to get your knee down. Part of the reason your knee is far away from the ground is because you have your weight in a very good position that keeps you from using a lot of lean angle. Now leverage that to continue working on speed, which in turn will eventually get the knee down.

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Never done a trackday so don't listen to anything i have to say, but when i mess around i rest the heel on the rearset plate? which gives enough space to have the ball of my foot resting on the peg. I'm about the same height as Jeff so this may assist him. This may not even be proper track technique so you know what, just fuhgetabout it...i don't want you to crash due to my off ramp/half assed form.

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It's hard to tell from the those pics, but I'm always on the balls of my feet, not the heels. If you have Sidi boots, the peg is sticking right into the yellow Sidi logo on the bottom. I asked Hix to show me the proper foot placement and his boots nearly have a hole in the sole at the same spot from the end of the peg digging into them lap after lap.

I don't plan on changing up my postion just to 'get a knee down' but I do want to make sure than my knees hit before toes/pegs, since that is the purpose of the kneesldier, to gauge where the bike is at.

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Looking good Jeff. I have some pics of you that Greg took that show an even better body position of you at Putnam. I'll try to post one tomorrow for ya.
Cool, all my pics are from a compact camera that isn't suited for fast moving, distance shots.

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Here ya go Jeff, lookin' awesome!


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are you serious you didnt drag knee right after that picture was taken? i have a hard time believing that
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It was a COLD track so I wasn't leaning the bike over as much as I wanted to, but no, three track days on those leathers and not a scuff on my knee pucks.

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I finally dragged a knee for real in the last three laps in yesterday's final session in the carousel:



I figured out how to get my knee lower than my toe in both left and right turns. It was just about getting my butt off a little more, and turning my foot outward just a little more than I was previously.



I think it's definitely time for those rearsets though, as my outside foot was coming off the peg every time through T4-T5:


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Great pics and great form Jeff! Now just just need track time to increase that comfort factor, and to get used to faster speeds a little bit at a time.

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Jeff,

your form looks awesome! I looked at the pics from last year...what a difference.

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Looking good Jeff. I think it is harder to get a knee down when your shorter. I'm 5'10 but my inseam is only 29 or 30 in. The 600 RR has you sitting more on top of the bike vs. say GSXR where your actually more centrally located on the bike. Once I got body position down I rarely dragged a knee until I was running at the front of "I" pace. Who cares anyway. Knee sliders get expensive.

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Hey Jeff...


I'm with Wink, great position. Need to concentrate on two things.

TIMING and SMOOTHNESS of your body position changes.

and as Wink mentioned, adding speed as you are comfortable.


Next time out grab a CR .....follow and echo their timing.


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Who cares anyway. Knee sliders get expensive.
My struggle wasn't with just getting a 'knee down', but I have dragged pegs on mulitple occasions and I have been trying to get my knee to the point where that would hit ground before a peg or toe does.

Tom, thanks for the input at the end of the day, I will keep that in mind for my next session.

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My struggle wasn't with just getting a 'knee down', but I have dragged pegs on mulitple occasions and I have been trying to get my knee to the point where that would hit ground before a peg or toe does.
The closer you are up on the tank, the sooner your knee will touch down.

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Jeff,

your form looks awesome! I looked at the pics from last year...what a difference.
+1 looks like Jeff has been eating some pedrosa flakes for breakfast!

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