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"I" group rules?

Doing my first NESBA track day this weekend, haven't talked to Garth yet about what group I'll be running but from what I've heard I'll probably start out in "I" group. Which makes me nervous because of the probability of a huge difference in corner speed and that there's less experienced riders which always causes for "interesting" times.

1)Whats the rules in "I" group?

2)What exactly is no passing on the inside? Does being to the inside of another rider under brakes and before the in turn point count?

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"I" allows passing on the outside of corners and under braking. Most of the folks in "I" have been riding on the track at least 10 or so trackdays, so they should be comfortable with you flying up the inside on the brakes IN THE BRAKING ZONE, especially if you got the cornerspeed to avoid any mishaps.

I'm taking this is the Heartland Park trip. Have you been there before? I seriously doubt more than a few have been there. Everybody's going to be learning the track, and some (like me) are slow to learn them.

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You can find all the rules on Nesba.com.

Regarding passing, the general rule of thumb is to make a clean/courteous pass. Pretend you little brother is the one you are about to pass.

Ask a CR, a few to choose from on CLSB, to follow you around right off the bat to get you into the A group. They are just be cautious in group designation.
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If you are gonna pass on the brakes on the inside, get it done by the #2 brake marker. No inside passing in the corners with a corner defined as anytime the bike is leaning (i.e. not a straight).

If there is a large pace disparity for you in I, we can certainly address that early in the day...and bump you down to B.

Just kidding! Just let any of us CR's know if we can help in any way.

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Why would you hit the brakes before the #2 brake marker? : )
I've been to HPT a few times, and would be happy to show people around in the morning sessions.

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I've been to HPT a few times, and would be happy to show people around in the morning sessions.

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Why would you hit the brakes before the #2 brake marker? : )
I've been to HPT a few times, and would be happy to show people around in the morning sessions.
I would just get with a CR in the morning and get yourself evaluated for A. its just the rules and are there for everyones safety. It wont slow you down that much




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Gonna be a HIGH CR to Member ratio this weekend. You'll get plenty of attention, and placed appropriately for your riding.

On that 125, you most likely won't have problems passing on the outside at all in "I". NO passing in any corners in "B". Based on your posts, you belong in "I". But, time will tell that.

Closing speed is the key issue running a 125 or a 250 in "A". Of course, that is dependent upon the track, and the rider.

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Trust me, its a whole lot easier to for you all to deal with the closing speed in the straight aways then I have it in the corners. I can close 10 bike lengths between the turn point and apex.

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Hence the reason you at least will probably need to be in "I"

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Arguing about this online is pretty pointless and i really don't see it going anywhere positive. no one will be admitted to advanced by the quality of their posts on a message board, it's just not done, if that were the case I would be a super star in A+

All decision s for this are made on the track and in the pits afterwards.




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wasn't trying to argue. sorry if it seemed that way.

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Nah, looks to me like you are just excited to get out there!

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Pretend you little brother is the one you are about to pass.
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Hahaha! Bad analogy John! If it were my little bro he'd get an elbow in the ribcage!
Baby sister might be a better analogy.

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Trust me, its a whole lot easier to for you all to deal with the closing speed in the straight aways then I have it in the corners. I can close 10 bike lengths between the turn point and apex.
I have seen you race and I know how fast you are on the 125. I am sure you will fit in fine in A. Heartland really only has the front straight for the screamer parkers (oh I mean 1000's) to open them up. So I see no real issues as long as the guys on the big bikes look far enough ahead on the straight. Every where else you will leave them behind. We will evaluate it early but I am sure track density will not be an issue this weekend in I.

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If you are gonna pass on the brakes on the inside, get it done by the #2 brake marker. No inside passing in the corners with a corner defined as anytime the bike is leaning (i.e. not a straight).

If there is a large pace disparity for you in I, we can certainly address that early in the day...and bump you down to B.

Just kidding! Just let any of us CR's know if we can help in any way.

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I can't wait!!! its been like 3 years since I did a track day with CLSB.

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I have seen you race and I know how fast you are on the 125. I am sure you will fit in fine in A. Heartland really only has the front straight for the screamer parkers (oh I mean 1000's) to open them up. So I see no real issues as long as the guys on the big bikes look far enough ahead on the straight. Every where else you will leave them behind. We will evaluate it early but I am sure track density will not be an issue this weekend in I.

Whats the price to keep him in I? If I find a way to put about 100lbs of bricks on his 125, then next season I might be able to hang with him for a few corners and learn something new.

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Ron, did you tell Butch that I grabeed your foot out there a couple of times on the track? LOL!

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