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Group of guys, a RV, NESBA track days ...

Let's discuss.

I may have a unique opportunity to pick up a RV. Good friend, father-in-law died, wife needs to sell, nice RV, very good price.

I'm trying to think of any reasons I shouldn't do it.

I plan to do all the Mid-West and Mid-Central NESBA dates, and a couple of Barbers and Road Atlanta's thrown in as well.

The primary issue is that I need to minimize time off from work and hopefully share the costs of traveling.

As a general rule, I'd like to leave on Friday around lunch and come back Sunday night.

The idea is to get a group of guys, fill the RV and roll through the night.

Advantages:

1. Deluxe accommodations makes the long trips easy.

2. Minimum vacation days to take off, everyone has a driving shift and everyone else can chill / sleep / play cards, etc... while on the road.

3. Shared expenses. 5 miles per gallon. 1,000 mile round trip. $2.50 a gallon. Divided 4 ways is only $125 a person. That's CHEAP!

4. More fun traveling together than traveling alone.

Disadavantages:

1. One person being an a**hole / drama queen / mean drunk / etc... could make the trip miserable for everyone.

2. People being unreliable (i.e. canceling at the last minute and making the costs go up for everybody).

What am I missing? Any real reason I shouldn't do this?

What do you guys think???

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Get it. You could rent it out to sport tourers. We have been wanting to plan a trip out west but have not because we can't figure out the logistics. One option was to rent an RV and haul the bikes back and fourth stopping to ride the best roads.

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Looking at pulling Wink's trailer (or a trailer big enough for 6 bikes) and some storage. Should be room in the RV for some stuff as well.

But you are correct, everyone would have to travel somewhat light.

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when purchasing an RV, keep a few additional things in mind, like storage costs, and maintence costs. I have known people that own them and they used to say that for every trip there was a broken part. at 5 miles per gallon does that include the reduced efficency towing a motorcycle trailer?

Is it winterized? so that you could use it even on those cold april / october days when it's to cold to camp at night?

Does it require a special license, one that your three friends might not have (those being the guys that you go with you) if it doesn't do you ahve people willing to help with the driving?

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Looking at pulling Wink's trailer (or a trailer big enough for 6 bikes) and some storage. Should be room in the RV for some stuff as well.

But you are correct, everyone would have to travel somewhat light.
no where do you keep it when your not using it?

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when purchasing an RV, keep a few additional things in mind, like storage costs, and maintence costs. I have known people that own them and they used to say that for every trip there was a broken part. at 5 miles per gallon does that include the reduced efficency towing a motorcycle?

Is it winterized? so that you could use it even on those cold april / october days when it's to cold to camp at night?

Does it require a special license, one that your three friends might not have (those being the guys that you go with you) if it doesn't do you ahve people willing to help with the driving?
It's rated at 8 to 12 miles per gallon, so 5 miles per gallon is my guess at pulling a trailer. I also chose $2.50 a gallon, which I hope is on the high side.

Yes, it is winterized. Central AC / Heat.

No special license required to drive it.

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Sleeps 4 with no spooning and an air matress on the floor makes it sleep 5 easily.

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no where do you keep it when your not using it?
Place next to my house charges around $70 a month to store it and you can access it anytime. Looking fr somewhere cheaper though.

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youre sure that can pull a 20+ foot loaded trailer?
also, the people behind me have a 30+ foot Coachman Leprachaun. They tell me its rated at 12 mpg - they get 6mpg going to South Padre Island every Fall not towing anything

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Provided you have a place to keep it, I cant see any reason not to do it. it woudl sure save money on hotels. I've thought about getting one just for that reason alone.




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youre sure that can pull a 20+ foot loaded trailer?
Rated at 5,000lb towing, can be upgrade to 10,000lb. Wink's 32' trailer weighs 6,000lbs empty. If we load it sparingly with ONLY what we need, I think we will be OK.

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Provided you have a place to keep it, I cant see any reason not to do it. it woudl sure save money on hotels. I've thought about getting one just for that reason alone.
+1, it is really nice to be at the track already and sleep in on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

Also nice to have some AC on the 100+ degree days like the one at Blackhawk or MAM last year.

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The trailer we stayed in at Barber last year was pretty nice (even though I am sure between me and you sawing wood we drove wink nuts) and very convenient. If you can get some dedicated people who you trust (remember your shit is in there also) I think it would be worth it. Hell, I may even "rent" a sleeping space from you...as long as it is Govt. subsidized.
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Im not trying to come across as negative but I bet if you made a list of all of the expenditures on a yearly basis - you wouldnt save a dime by owning this.

I tried to justify it for hunting trips and it wasnt even close to a break even.

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I dont see towing capacity listed under the specs page. Definitely something to think about. Also one more thing to think about, states can be picky about weight. you may not need a special license for just the RV, but if you add the weight of winks trailer, you may now need a special license.

Personally Could see it working for you, but not for the amount of guys you want to bring into it. that's a lot of gear and weight. I could see this thing towing say a 7x14 trailer with 2 bikes and all your gear. but if you wanna go 6 guys and 6 bikes with a monster trailer like wonks, you may want to talk to your wife about selling this one and buying a class A motor-home with more capacity.




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Hey, looking at the link I cannot find whether its diesel or gas.......I personally wouldnt even consider a rig like that unless it were diesel, and I am guessing its gas....................

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WOuld think for towing Diesel would be much better, power and cost.

The stoarage cost is a big deal .... $840 per year, plus insurance, plus......


For convienience sake this sounds neat, it'll cost a bunch.

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It's a V10 same as Wink's Excusion. A diesel greatly increases the cost and doesn't give you any more towing capacity since the towing bottleneck is not the motor it's the rear spings and frame. Diesel will get you a little better MPG, but not nearly enough to off set the extra cost. Perfect world I'd like diesel, but not an option.

Again, this particular RV is the one that I can get a very discounted price...not really shopping around.

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WOuld think for towing Diesel would be much better, power and cost.

The stoarage cost is a big deal .... $840 per year, plus insurance, plus......


For convienience sake this sounds neat, it'll cost a bunch.

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Good point Tom. I'd would probably just cover all the costs of the RV (payments, insurance, storage, registration, etc.) and then have the guys who travel with me cover the fuel.

I think that would be fair. Again, splitting the travel costs is gonna make it cheaper for everyone.

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Again, this particular RV is the one that I can get a very discounted price...not really shopping around.
That right there would be the clincher for me. IF its that discounted that you can use it for a few years and sell it for more or the same that you bought it for. then it is of course worth it. as the cost of ownership then go's way down in the long run. Hell if your getting it way discounted buy it now and sell it in the fall for more and make a profit on it.




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I dont see towing capacity listed under the specs page. Definitely something to think about. Also one more thing to think about, states can be picky about weight. you may not need a special license for just the RV, but if you add the weight of winks trailer, you may now need a special license.

Personally Could see it working for you, but not for the amount of guys you want to bring into it. that's a lot of gear and weight. I could see this thing towing say a 7x14 trailer with 2 bikes and all your gear. but if you wanna go 6 guys and 6 bikes with a monster trailer like wonks, you may want to talk to your wife about selling this one and buying a class A motor-home with more capacity.
No special license unless you put a business type name on the side and then you need a CDL. Wink checked into this last year, he said size and weight don't matter.

Plenty of room for 5 guys in this thing, maybe six but definitely 5. The problem with Class A's is that they can tow more but they don't have the sleeping capacity of a Class C.

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That right there would be the clincher for me. IF its that discounted that you can use it for a few years and sell it for more or the same that you bought it for. then it is of course worth it. as the cost of ownership then go's way down in the long run. Hell if your getting it way discounted buy it now and sell it in the fall for more and make a profit on it.
That is what I'm thinking.

Plus my wife wants to get it.

Plus it would really be helping my friend out if I bought it off his in-laws. The lady is a widow now and has no use for this and really can't handle the costs.

BUT, it is a big decision. And I just want to make sure I am not missing something major.

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That is what I'm thinking.

Plus my wife wants to get it.

Plus it would really be helping my friend out if I bought it off his in-laws. The lady is a widow now and has no use for this and really can't handle the costs.

BUT, it is a big decision. And I just want to make sure I am not missing something major.
buy it.

oh and I don't know if you know this as it hasn't been mentioned. You can write it off as a second home which means mortgage interest is a write off just like your house, and you can mortgage that thing out like 15 years, payments will be minimal as there no property tax etc rolled in the mortgage.

Hell if the deals right maybe I'll buy it off you in a year or two, I've been wanting one.




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Well its probalby not a good investment as they devalue quick, but that said.
RV's are just awesome, wake up at the track, Its raining... so what, fire up the satellite dish and set it up to record motogp or put on the faster dvd. if it is 1000 degrees out, while you are out riding fire up the AC and come in between your sessions and cool off quick. stuck in traffic, fire up one of those tv dinners or microwave a sammich.

One thing that is a good thing to check before you buy and that is often overlooked is one of the common ways RV Manufacturers kind of cheat = weight capacity.

They get the chassis from Ford or GM or whoever and build the coach on to it
The chassis is rated for a certain weight capacity.
In the closet door there will be some weight ratings,

Check the complete capacity the RV is capable of carrying, This includes, passengers beers food maps everything.

Another is the current weight of the vehicle as it is equiped, AC, Generator etc, it will all be listed. along with their corresponding weights.
Factory in the weight of the fuel
Water tank (35-70 gallons)

Whatever is left is your carrying capacity
on some coaches it is so mismatched and you only have a couple of hundred pounds left over and you basically can't carry anything.

Add your theoretical weight 5x 180 or whatever for 5 passengers
I"ll see if I can find a thread on it for you.

basement storage is handy.
awnings are nice on sunny days but you have to take them down when it gets windy or stormy. (quick too)
Another thing to include sometimes is the cost to run the generator (probably on the road on hot days as well)as you will probably run both AC's, the dash one and the one on the roof with 5 people. When we were going through Sturgis it was a godsend.

There will probably be 6 or so seat belted seats.
5 people in close proximity can ......be tough sometimes.
you are really going to have to ration things like showers, and be able to dump the tanks often. on motorhomes you need some kind of chase vehicle for supplies firewood etc, can be a motorcycle with a milk crate if you are in a spot.

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I got a lot of info here before I bought mine.

The one you are looking at looks like a class C
faq here
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best to just do a search under weight capacity, gwvr, or gross weight.
also plug in your exact model and do a search on it.


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One small drawback to consider with an RV is that once you get to your destination and setup camp, you're kind of stuck there. It usually not too convenient to pack everything up and head into town for dinner or groceries. Not like disconnecting the trailer and heading into town with the tow vehicle. But that being said, it's a small factor. And a licensed scooter can come in handy to run errands. And at track days, it's probably not a big factor and there's usually other people to ride with into town.

It's awesome having living quarters on site. Especially for the wife. Although the shower in my toy hauler doesn't have enough capacity for the wife.

But the convenience comes at a big cost. But you're doing it smart by looking to share costs.

There's no plug ins at MAM. So you'll have to make sure your generator can handle the air conditioner by itself.
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Tire age is something else to check for.
even if they look new, many mfgs use a 5 year life. it can be a $1500 cost.
A blow out can tear up a coach bad and in a hurry costing big $$.

Being that you are using it for being at the track, maybe consider the cost of removing the carpet in the living area and replacing it with Linolium or tiles or something that you can sweep/mop up.


Jack makes a good point. Does it come with a generator ? they are usually at least 4kwatts from the coach mfg.

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