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NESBA Advanced rider as a control rider?

I have a friend that is a NESBA advanced rider. He wants to come down and ride April 14th with me at blackhawk. He wanted to know if there is any way he could run beginner for half the day as a personal control rider(or whatever you call it) to show me lines and give me tips. Is this allowed at all?

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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-02-2007, 11:26 PM
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Also, you have a nice friend, I got sooo frustrated riding in B. Maybe it's because it was the beginning of the day at the beginning of the season.

It would be better if your friend rode the second half of the day with you instead of the first. This way everybody gets used to the track and everything flows a lot better. Good way to wind down too.

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I would guess that the answer would be no for a number of reasons:

B is usually full and if somebody from a higher class were to come down then that might mean some other beginner might not get a slot to ride.

The "A" rider might try pulling you through some passes that are easy for him but not for you as he's an experienced rider, but not an experienced Control Rider. Passing by yourself is one thing, but anticipating what other beginner riders might do and concentrating on towing a rider behind you isn't the same thing. As such this might be a liability issue that they wouldn't want to assume.

If this precedent were granted then other riders in the A group or I group would ask for the same thing and double their ride sessions per hour.

The NESBA control riders we do ride with are great instructors. They do an excellent job getting you on your way to enjoying the track

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i'm sure any of the current CR's would be more than happy to work with you.

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I think your friend would be more help to you if he camped out at various corners throughout the day and analazyed your form / progress.

As others have said, the CR's are extremely good at what they do. Their instruction and track knowledge will be invaluable. You've got a good friend, but you can put that generosity to better use than having him follow you around.

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i'm sure any of the current CR's would be more than happy to work with you.
I agree I would happy to help I been racng there for almost 19 years I think I know where the line is I hope having a A rider in there is difficult because of speed differences and notably passing differences.Come talk to me I will be in the beginers riders meeting with you I again would be happy to help with any questions or ride with you.

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i'm sure any of the current CR's would be more than happy to work with you.
+1 Just ask. I plan to do this a lot this season. I have already had a few CRs tell me they would be happy to help me this season.

edit...but dont ask heath...he makes you crash jk

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I followed Heath once, for about 2 seconds then he was gone That cat is fast

Line up behind wink, he will ride a less than blistering pace and show you exactly where the line is, I mean literally showing you by putting his finger on the ground in the turn showing you exactly where your tire should be. Let your buddy go out and have a blast in A for the day, the CR's will take care of ya. They taught me a shitload and still are.




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+1 Just ask. I plan to do this a lot this season. I have already had a few CRs tell me they would be happy to help me this season.

edit...but dont ask heath...he makes you crash jk
Alright cut it out who was on your bike

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Heath won't crash you. Your decisions crash you. You have to know your own limits. Control riders may ride with you all day and know your able to run a certain pace. But no control rider can tell how fatigued you feel or how your going to make decisions under pressure.

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Heath won't crash you. Your decisions crash you. You have to know your own limits. Control riders may ride with you all day and know your able to run a certain pace. But no control rider can tell how you fatigued you feel or how your going to make decisions under pressure.

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Heath won't crash you. Your decisions crash you. You have to know your own limits. Control riders may ride with you all day and know your able to run a certain pace. But no control rider can tell how fatigued you feel or how your going to make decisions under pressure.

Only you can prevent track day crashes!

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That's a good point. Last year Wink waived me by at Putnam coming into Dead Bear but I wasn't really planning on passing at that point; was going to duck in behind and wait until the front stretch.

But being in the mindset that 'the Control Rider knows best' I pulled ahead and barely made my breaking point and leaned off all the way into Ohio to make that turn.

After that (and following Marshall off the track) I decided I needed to learn how to compute all that data faster. I think part of learning to ride faster means learning to make GOOD decisions, faster. Realize that although I was being waived by doesn't mean 'ride over my head'. I might be slow out there, but I know my OWN limits and always try to listen to that little voice that screams when things are moving a little too fast.

I've noticed that through repetition that voice gets quieter at the same speed; you get more comfortable at a speed that was previously scary as you are slowly desensitized.

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I've noticed that through repetition that voice gets quieter at the same speed; you get more comfortable at a speed that was previously scary as you are slowly desensitized.
Yep! Takes some of us a loooot of repititions!
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That's a good point. Last year Wink waived me by at Putnam coming into Dead Bear but I wasn't really planning on passing at that point; was going to duck in behind and wait until the front stretch.

But being in the mindset that 'the Control Rider knows best' I pulled ahead and barely made my breaking point and leaned off all the way into Ohio to make that turn.

After that (and following Marshall off the track) I decided I needed to learn how to compute all that data faster. I think part of learning to ride faster means learning to make GOOD decisions, faster. Realize that although I was being waived by doesn't mean 'ride over my head'. I might be slow out there, but I know my OWN limits and always try to listen to that little voice that screams when things are moving a little too fast.

I've noticed that through repetition that voice gets quieter at the same speed; you get more comfortable at a speed that was previously scary as you are slowly desensitized.


Actually... you never want to turn that voice off.

You want to reeducate it so it knows the difference between percieved
limits and real limits and you NEVER want to let it control your actions.


It's OK to have the warning buzzer going off as long as you keep your
head straight and keep controling the bike.


Just take the little voice "under advisement".... kinda like when you are
driving and your passenger says.... slow down that was close !


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Spoken like one cool dude!

Guess thats why his signature lists an AMA number huh.....


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