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Question concerning NESBA Guide lines

OK guys I wanted to get out to one of the events this years and see what it was like but time and Moving and work did not allow this.

I did talk with wink alittle and have decided nexted year i wanna try it out.

After reading a the requirements for the basic level why is it an option for the following items not required to be secured for the basic and interm groups?

The oil drain and fill plug, oil filter,coolant? doesnt this make it a safety issue?

What would you reccomend for prepping the bike for the track. I have the winter to do these things might as well start now.
Any advice it greatly from the bike to the gear pretty much any tips that would help make life easier

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I have wondered this myself, only thing I could come up with was that they may have some crash history in these groups and realized either:

A. riders at this level typically crash after they go off the track.

or

B. riders at this level arent carrying enough pace to break those parts when they fall.

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I have wondered this myself, only thing I could come up with was that they may have some crash history in these groups and realized either:

A. riders at this level typically crash after they go off the track.

or

B. riders at this level arent carrying enough pace to break those parts when they fall.

Anyone in the know?
I think vibration has a lot to do with it which would likely be a problem at any level.

Aside from pace and crashing off the track, I think scaring new people away from the organization, and/or track days in general, is a big part of it.

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I think vibration has a lot to do with it which would likely be a problem at any level.

Aside from pace and crashing off the track, I think scaring new people away from the organization, and/or track days in general, is a big part of it.

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I read on winks site for awhile, only found the requirements for the safety wiring in the advanced- not the actual "why" the B and I groups arent required.

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Still doesnt seem logical to allow simple thing to go just because you fear scarying someone off. Whats scarier is the thought there are bikes out there without these safety items.

I dont think the answer has been truely answered yet

Same here just read everything on his site still doesnt answer why

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Folks who are in advanced more than likely do a lot more maitenance on their bikes, safety wire is a guarentee that they tightened bolts. It's a visual reminder that something is NOT going to be loose.
Logical, but wouldnt you want that same visual from someone who is new to the track, or may be new to maintenance on a bike too?

On the record, I think the safety wire and water for coolant should be for all groups..................as well as safety wire for the front and rear rotors which must be removed to remove the wheels........Discuss...........

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I'm sure Wink and Hix and those guys will chime in sooner or later with a definitive answer. Alternatively, you could post up on the NESBA board or do a search on the NESBA board and probably get your answer.

I still think it has a lot to do with getting new people on the track...not many people want to punch holes in their new GSXR1K or 1098 unless they are already addicted.

It's a calculated risk though...it's not like they just say "fuck it, B group will be more dangerous".

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If you want to do you it going to do it no matter the requirements

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I think by statistics, Intermediate has the most crashes. You get real comfortable with a knee on the deck and you push harder trying to be faster without really being ready for it. I speak from personal experience, others may be different, but i've always noticed a lot more crashes in I.

Also, in advanced the chances that you are running a street bike are slim, your bike will already be a track whore. B and I guys still can easily run street bikes and street tires at that pace. Nobody wants to have to safety wire their street bike.

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On the record, I think the safety wire and water for coolant should be for all groups..................as well as safety wire for the front and rear rotors which must be removed to remove the wheels........Discuss...........
Yes , and make sure you replace fork oil with water wetter. I heard that helps suspension too

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I'm sure Wink and Hix and those guys will chime in sooner or later with a definitive answer.....

I still think it has a lot to do with getting new people on the track...not many people want to punch holes in their new GSXR1K or 1098 unless they are already addicted.
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The reason that it is not REQUIRED is to make getting out on the track easier for first timers. However, it IS recommended for ALL riders who come to the track more than a couple of times.

We have helped quite a few guys wire their bikes up at the track, and even helped them do it at the Tech Days. SO... if you have a chance, do it all over the winter (EXCEPT THE COOLANT!!)

Given most "A" riders and most CRs, I would assume that we all wish that EVERYONE was wired for the benefit of everyone else. We had a rider last year dump oil due to a loose drain plug, and it cost Hix over a thousand to fix the damage from his bike due to someone else not being wired.

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Hmm safety over getting people on the track sounds ass backwards. I dont see the complication getting the few things wired up. Thanks to all that put up their answers thank you

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Hmm safety over getting people on the track sounds ass backwards. I dont see the complication getting the few things wired up. Thanks to all that put up their answers thank you
I don't think it's backwards when many of the first-timers are out there on brand-new 600RRs and R1s which barely have the hand grips worn, much-less bolts falling off the bike. It's us guys with 5 year-old dedicated track-bikes that only go zoom on weekends and get taken apart more than riden who need to have stuff all wired up

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The way I see it is this. If I were in charge I would want to keep the Same guys coming since they are in fact all ready in and are the main source of income. Some one that is new is not revenue (free for the first 40 mins) thus his one time could end that of 3,4, or more possible regulars and the potential regulars (newbies) by causing an accident that doesnt allow those people to return.

Tho I am not in charge and have to go with the flow just seems backwards.

I on one hand will follow the recommened safety requirements. Dont think I would be able to sleep knowing I skipped those recommendations and cause a dangerous situation for other riders.

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The way I see it is this. If I were in charge I would want to keep the Same guys coming since they are in fact all ready in and are the main source of income. Some one that is new is not revenue (free for the first 40 mins) thus his one time could end that of 3,4, or more possible regulars and the potential regulars (newbies) by causing an accident that doesnt allow those people to return.

Tho I am not in charge and have to go with the flow just seems backwards.

I on one hand will follow the recommened safety requirements. Dont think I would be able to sleep knowing I skipped those recommendations and cause a dangerous situation for other riders.

From the NESBA website:

"The Northeast Sportbike Association (NESBA) is a non-profit, volunteer-run organization, formed in 1996 by sportbike enthusiasts and former racers who understand and appreciate the difference between riding fast and riding well.

Our purpose is to get sportbikers on the track where they can ride to their fullest potential without the limitations, distractions, and hazards of the street. We operate on the premise, "Ride Fast, Ride Safe". We believe riders can and should do both in a structured environment, free from the free-for-all mentality of the street or the dogfight mentality of racing."


The fact is that many trackday organizations were formed with the specific intention of getting people off of the streets. Free Intro sessions, minimal requirements to get on the track, etc, etc. all to that end. Heck, it wasn't that long ago when you could wear 2 pair of jeans in intro. Anything that knowingly lessens the possibility of getting new people out there (in my opinion) would be the wrong thing to do.

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The way I see it is this. If I were in charge I would want to keep the Same guys coming since they are in fact all ready in and are the main source of income.
For every new couple riders that I see on the track in spring I also see a 'veteren' selling thier track bike in fall because they are getting married, having kids, moving, getting a new job, got hurt and miaybe want to take a year off, plan to dedicate the next year to drinking, insert reason here, etc.

I personally think it's not about income, it's about getting riders off the streets and into a safer environment to learn to ride these silly bikes in the way they were designed.

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The chances of the plug vibrating out are pretty low if you're not on the track a lot I would assume.

I'm assuming Ron Hix is in favor of a mandatory safety wired plug after he wiped out in the spot where I lost mine last year at black hawk, hahaha. Still sorry about that Ron!!!
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The way I see it is this. If I were in charge I would want to keep the Same guys coming since they are in fact all ready in and are the main source of income. Some one that is new is not revenue (free for the first 40 mins) thus his one time could end that of 3,4, or more possible regulars and the potential regulars (newbies) by causing an accident that doesnt allow those people to return.

Tho I am not in charge and have to go with the flow just seems backwards.

I on one hand will follow the recommened safety requirements. Dont think I would be able to sleep knowing I skipped those recommendations and cause a dangerous situation for other riders.
I think that if it makes you feel better to safetywire your bike for Beg/Int, by all means go ahead. The guidelines for trackdays are set based on the experiences of hundreds of riders. Nesba undoubtedly takes everyone's safety into consideration when making up the rules. You should be more concerned about how you are going to ride out there and how you are going to prepare yourself for any unexpected situation. Most crashes and off track excursions are due to rider error in braking, acceleration, and body position. Don't get yourself too worked up about the things that you can't control. There is enough distraction/concentration going on out there to keep you busy. Focus on your bike control skills, the race line, and your willingness to learn. I promise that you will have more fun than you ever expected.

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I safety wired my bike when I bought it even though I didn't really have intentions of doing track days at that point. It's just something good to do, and now when you are getting it ready for winter is a great time to do it.

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I started out this season in the Southeast Region. I came back for Wink's tech day and was walking through his trailer. I saw oil on the floor and thought, hmmm someones got an issue. Wait! My bike was sitting there! I went over and my belly pan was full of oil. I grabbed the oil filter and spun it off easily with my hand! A few more laps down at VIR and I'd have been on my head!

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When I am trying to get people out to the track to try it I always here, Don't I have to safety wire my bike? Don't I have to change out my coolant? Like these are the things that are a big deal keeping them from going.

I still however recommend at least these two things to be done. I think nesba is trying to make it as easy as possible for people to get out there and be safe. I think that the biggest factor for people not trying it is not wanting to head out to the track by themselves. Nesba as an organization can not do much about this but the members/CRs do a great job of this being a big family welcoming people with open arms and always helping others out.

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