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I havent been on the track in a couple years, but will be in a couple weeks.

Toward the end of my last season on the track, I found myself pushing the front end more and more. Not is a scary way, just sliding the front wheel more and more often as my pace increased.

My question is, what should I be doing to keep this from happening as I increase pace. I was doing it on newer tires as well as tires a few weekends old, so I think its a technique issue.

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If I did think that, I probably wouldnt be asking the question. Shouldnt you be searching craigslist for a busa?

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Throttle too early ?

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If I did think that, I probably wouldnt be asking the question. Shouldnt you be searching craigslist for a busa?
i see still you make fun but probably excuse is! Remeber always you're not Jaroslav Hules! HA HA HA
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The rear end isn't sprung correctly or doesn't have enough swingarm angle? Trying moving weight forward or backward and see what helps. Get good tires that up to the task.

Is just flat out lack of traction pushing? Or is it that the front end is chattering and absorbing bumps to maintain traction. Perhaps you front end needs service or adjustment.

This is something that you should ask the instructors when your riding. Perhaps they can follow you and point out something that you can't notice since your on the bike or since you are the rider.

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Im thinking its lack of traction pushing as it is consistent slide from just after apex to the exit. Corresponds with throttle roll on, so I am thinking I am slowing down too much before the turn, then being too monkey with the throttle on exit..........

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slide the fork tubes up to compensate.

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Would threads showing cause that?

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Im thinking its lack of traction pushing as it is consistent slide from just after apex to the exit. Corresponds with throttle roll on, so I am thinking I am slowing down too much before the turn, then being too monkey with the throttle on exit..........
throttle on understeer - your front end is getting too light maybe?

Could be too much squat, not enough front end weight bias, front rebound too slow, or being too too slow in hamfisted out or any combination thereof.

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Squat - Push.

Check swingarm angle and rear sag.

Maybe add a little Low Speed Comp to slow weigh transfer.


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throttle on understeer - your front end is getting too light maybe?

Could be too much squat, not enough front end weight bias, front rebound too slow, or being too too slow in hamfisted out or any combination thereof.
Im gonna go with way too slow in for right now.......I am a total pussy going into the turn. This is what I will work on. Maybe some of you gixxer guys will have a chance at some spare parts after that weekend!

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Craig, I would suggest hooking up with the CRs at Jennings. The internet will give you 50,000 different answers.
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too much grip on the rear . Are you running 190 by any chance ?

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Craig, I would suggest hooking up with the CRs at Jennings. The internet will give you 50,000 different answers.
I know, I was bored, and there ARE some people on this board who know what they are talking about. Why not try to pick their minds.

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too much grip on the rear . Are you running 190 by any chance ?
Nope, 180's.

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perhaps your front is getting unweighed from the rear squatting too much and running you wide coming out of the corners giving you the impression that you are pushing the front? When I push the front, I feel the front tire skipping on the tarmac as well as the hear the noise but I never push the front past the apex.

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I know, I was bored, and there ARE some people on this board who know what they are talking about. Why not try to pick their minds.
I don't disagree, just saying...
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perhaps your front is getting unweighed from the rear squatting too much and running you wide coming out of the corners giving you the impression that you are pushing the front? When I push the front, I feel the front tire skipping on the tarmac as well as the hear the noise but I never push the front past the apex.
Yeah, when I think of "pushing the front end," I'm thinking of throttle off understeer on corner entry

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Squat - Push.

Check swingarm angle and rear sag.

Maybe add a little Low Speed Comp to slow weigh transfer.


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Yeah, when I think of "pushing the front end," I'm thinking of throttle off understeer on corner entry
actually just thought about it a bit and I always push the front past the apex in turn 4 at BHF and I'm on the gas but again I can actually feel the vibration from the front skipping.

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actually just thought about it a bit and I always push the front past the apex in turn 4 at BHF and I'm on the gas but again I can actually feel the vibration from the front skipping.
sounds like under-load induced slide rather than overload induced slide. The latter is a more accurate description of "push" I guess.

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So, my terminology is wrong then. All I know is that the front wheel is sliding, I can feel it, but its definitely not before the turn, only from after apex to the exit.

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So, my terminology is wrong then. All I know is that the front wheel is sliding, I can feel it, but its definitely not before the turn, only from after apex to the exit.
I don't think there is a universally accepted definition of push, that's just my thoughts on what "push" means. I knew what you meant when you described where/how it was happening though.

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There are too many unknown variables in this problem to give you a solution. Recommendations at this point are just shots in the dark.

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Would threads showing cause that?
Not that I have ever noticed.

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