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Harley plant in India?

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if they run it like they say they are going to then its a good thing for the mfg's here making harley parts since they get to sell more product to a new market while the assembly force here remains untouched

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"What we are doing is made in USA, assembled in India,..."

What?

I'm not into manufacturing, but how is it profitable to build the parts (allegedly) in the US, and ship them to India (or any other country) for assembly? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just ship complete bikes to a dealer network rather than build an assembly plant?

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If it's cheaper to assemble them there what makes you think it's not cheaper to manufacture the parts there too? Made in America will be re-qualified to mean: Well, sometime ago the original ones were.

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"What we are doing is made in USA, assembled in India,..."

What?

I'm not into manufacturing, but how is it profitable to build the parts (allegedly) in the US, and ship them to India (or any other country) for assembly? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just ship complete bikes to a dealer network rather than build an assembly plant?
did you read the article?
"Beyond the obvious market potential there is another major reason Harley-Davidson is building an assembly plant in India -- to bring down India's import duties which right now are so high Indian consumers pay double for fully assembled imported vehicles. Exporting just the parts to India could lower the import duty tariffs by around 80 percent according to Prakash."

That said why wouldn't it be cheaper to package engines and other parts on pallets and send them that way - I would think they can package much more efficiently and with less shipping damage that way - not to mention the fact that local labor in india might be a tad cheaper than union labor in the states
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"What we are doing is made in USA, assembled in India,..."

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I'm not into manufacturing, but how is it profitable to build the parts (allegedly) in the US, and ship them to India (or any other country) for assembly? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just ship complete bikes to a dealer network rather than build an assembly plant?
These are motorcycles being built for a foriegn market. They said it will save 80% in import tarif by being assembled there.

If anything the lower final sale price of harleys in inda will increase the quantity demaned. This potentially means an increase in workers who produce Harley parts stateside. All the parts still machined here, and just assembled there for that market.

Bottom line is that they're going after a whole new demographics in rapidly growing China and India.

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India has the highest import taxes for goods in the world. Their way of thinking is that if they can get manufacturers to do exactly what HD is doing they can provide jobs for their people. It works. HD is investing in their country to expand HD's market and make the product more affordable to the Indian consumer and NOT actually sending jobs there because all the parts will still be made here. Those bikes will not be sent back here and sold here, they are strictly meant for the Indian and possibly the greater Asian market.
It's a good move for all involved.

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gents. If you speak to any Indian over here. they would tell you that those bikes are not for an Indian market as roads are so fucked up it will be impossible to ride then there. At least that is what I am told by those that call India home.

Most bikes over there are 250 and 450. Later been a majority. It is just a way to sell it to us on why it is moved there.

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Wow, next thing you know Indian Motorcycles will be made in the US
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gents. If you speak to any Indian over here. they would tell you that those bikes are not for an Indian market as roads are so fucked up it will be impossible to ride then there. At least that is what I am told by those that call India home.

Most bikes over there are 250 and 450. Later been a majority. It is just a way to sell it to us on why it is moved there.
Yes and no.
There is a market for such cruisers but the engine size has to be small to suit Indian roads and also for better fuel efficiency.
The middle to upper class is growing in India and is looking to spend.
People there already have fascination with motorcycles. Those who can afford the import tax do own Hayabusas, CBRs and other superbikes.
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gents. If you speak to any Indian over here. they would tell you that those bikes are not for an Indian market as roads are so fucked up it will be impossible to ride then there. At least that is what I am told by those that call India home.

Most bikes over there are 250 and 450. Later been a majority. It is just a way to sell it to us on why it is moved there.
Actually, this move is very similar to what all the car companies did in the late 90's and early 00's, which was to go after a rapidly growing market i.e. India/china/brazil and if that means they have to adapt to manufacture smaller/less powerful and more fuel efficient vehicle, they catered to those needs.

I believe harley will end up doing the same thing, and will start producing the 250's and the 450's.

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gents. If you speak to any Indian over here. they would tell you that those bikes are not for an Indian market as roads are so fucked up it will be impossible to ride then there. At least that is what I am told by those that call India home.

Most bikes over there are 250 and 450. Later been a majority. It is just a way to sell it to us on why it is moved there.

haha i totally agree. having a 450 in india is kinda like having a busa here.

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