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winterizing the Harley?

i never did it on my goldwing, it had a internal plastic tank and never had a problem.

not sure about this harley, but is it still suggested for fuel injected bikes?

there always a battery tender connected in the winter and its already running full synthetic oil.

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I never used to, but I'll be running stabil in the fleet from now on. I believe the ethanol in gas these days attracts water.
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I never used to, but I'll be running stabil in the fleet from now on. I believe the ethanol in gas these days attracts water.
+1...Fill the tank and use the marine formula stabil. It is formulated for ethanol and high moisture conditions (if you have the red stabil it will be fine but if you need to buy new...get the blue marine stuff).
Also...Even with synthetic oil it's agood idea to change the oil before storage unless it's fairly new. There are by product acids and chemicals in oil that gets in there after running for some miles that could be damaging...besides...come Spring the oil will be fresh for the first few rides.
Get the tires off the cold concrete with something like wood blocks and that should do it unless you feel the need to use fogging oil or coat chrome and paint with wax but if you're in a good garage with a cover it shouldn't be necessary.

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+1...Fill the tank and use the marine formula stabil. It is formulated for ethanol and high moisture conditions (if you have the red stabil it will be fine but if you need to buy new...get the blue marine stuff).
Also...Even with synthetic oil it's agood idea to change the oil before storage unless it's fairly new. There are by product acids and chemicals in oil that gets in there after running for some miles that could be damaging...besides...come Spring the oil will be fresh for the first few rides.
Get the tires off the cold concrete with something like wood blocks and that should do it unless you feel the need to use fogging oil or coat chrome and paint with wax but if you're in a good garage with a cover it shouldn't be necessary.
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If you can..... Don't store the bike with ethanol gas. It's pretty nasty stuff even if you have stabil in the gas and it doesn't have water / or phase separates.
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How do u guys like heet compared to stabil ? I have like a 4 pack of heet.
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Heet is not a fuel stabilizer. It's main function is to prevent gas line freeze up in freezing weather. With today's fuel blends it is somewhat an obsolete product. It won't hurt anything and in extremely cold (like extended periods of low 20's for highs and lows below zero or colder) it would still be a bit helpful.
Stabil and other like products designed for fuel sabilization the idea is to keep the fuel from breaking down and forming varnish during extended storage periods...like when a motorcycle is unused for 3 to 5 months during the winter.

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i don't think the oil change is necessary unless it is due. just take the bike for a good hard ride with the blue stabile then shut it down till spring. an oil change just changes the oil in the sump. to start it quickly to just circulate new oil just produces condensation everywhere. no cold starts in the winter! that is just stupid. if any thing, pull in in 5th gear and rotate the rear tire every week or so to keep the piston rings from sticking. put a rag in the exhaust to keep the mice out(all winter, not for just 5 days ladies).
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^^^ I have to disagree. If the oil is fairly new, say with 500 miles or less then yes, a change can wait but, if you have more miles than that on the oil, change it. There are various acids that are by-products of combustion. Oil holds those acids and even though the HD is a dry sump there is residue from the last time the engine ran. It only makes sense to keep that residue or the oil in the sump on a wet sump engine as acid and contaminant free as possible while the engine sits unused for a few months, doesn't it? You don't want that stuff sitting in your sump or oil bag for a few months, do you?
Even expensive synthetic oil is cheaper than having to replace internal engine parts because of "acid etching" damage!

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Ken, not sure your take on this but every winter I take advantage of the Harley Dealer Winter Storage and get one Mod added each new season - All you have todo is spend $500 with said dealer over the winter (hence my new Mod each year) and for that $500, they will pick up and drop off for you and store your bike in a heated building (service dept) with a tender on it and have it ready to roll for you when they drop it off to your door - Every HD Dealer offers this and I have use Heritage Harley for it every year - I get oil changes and servie intervals done by them so it is all documented in their system should anything need to go the HD Warranty route - Mine is of course no longer under warranty but yours might be

Just a thought - I personally love the service and it is how I get my "1 new mod" each season - Going for a new tank this year

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They will pick up and drop off the bike from your house? Did I read that clear? I may wanna contact the Heritage If this is right.
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They will pick up and drop off the bike from your house? Did I read that clear? I may wanna contact the Heritage If this is right.
Yes - Any Harley Dealer offers Winter Storage - Not sure if all offer PU and D but Heritage does - They are coming to get mine tomorrow

http://www.harleydavidsonmaintenance...r-storage.html

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Whoops, Wrong Link - Scroll down on this one for Heritage..

http://www.heritagehd.com/miscpage_007.asp

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Shit for that price I should have winter storage in my garage.
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Shit for that price I should have winter storage in my garage.
I look at it this way - I add (1) or (2) mods each season - I order the parts, they put them on and store the bike, tend to the bike, pick the bike up and drop it off - Also, when it comes time to sell it, seeing as I have no odometer, Heritage can attest to the condition of the bike with all the service records and work performed by the dealer

That and i have to admit, the door to door service is exceptional and I am as lazy as the day is long

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I bought my Streetbob from Heritage. They store the bike last winter as apart of the deal plus a passenger pegs and seat included then gave me extra 500 dollars off the price.

They are awesome dealer. I contacted them and it is true. They will pick it up and drop it off to your door.

Then I got the Lapera seat from Bug. Anyway, the seat looks awesome on my bike Bug. I did a little modification to the seat but all is fit and snug.
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^^^ I have to disagree. If the oil is fairly new, say with 500 miles or less then yes, a change can wait but, if you have more miles than that on the oil, change it. There are various acids that are by-products of combustion. Oil holds those acids and even though the HD is a dry sump there is residue from the last time the engine ran. It only makes sense to keep that residue or the oil in the sump on a wet sump engine as acid and contaminant free as possible while the engine sits unused for a few months, doesn't it? You don't want that stuff sitting in your sump or oil bag for a few months, do you?
Even expensive synthetic oil is cheaper than having to replace internal engine parts because of "acid etching" damage!
your bike spends more time off than on. by your rational the oil should be changed every 500 miles. the additives in the oil will protect it. what you are suggesting is unnecessary.
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^^^ If that's what you believe then fine...it's your bike and you can maintain it by your standards. Changing the oil before winter storage is something I've been doing for over 40 years and it's worked well for me. During the riding season when you're riding your bike regularly contaminants in the oil get suspended regularly and burned off by the heat of combustion. When it's sitting for several months the contaminants get to settle and do damage. The way I look at it is it's cheap insurance and easy to do. It will add a measure of protection from possible contaminants in the oil and come Spring you start fresh so an oil change can be deferred while you're chomping at the bit to go for those early Spring rides!
Your bike, your choice...to each his own. The OP asked, I answered.

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^^^ If that's what you believe then fine...it's your bike and you can maintain it by your standards. Changing the oil before winter storage is something I've been doing for over 40 years and it's worked well for me. During the riding season when you're riding your bike regularly contaminants in the oil get suspended regularly and burned off by the heat of combustion. When it's sitting for several months the contaminants get to settle and do damage. The way I look at it is it's cheap insurance and easy to do. It will add a measure of protection from possible contaminants in the oil and come Spring you start fresh so an oil change can be deferred while you're chomping at the bit to go for those early Spring rides!
Your bike, your choice...to each his own. The OP asked, I answered.
it is not just what i believe but what an engineer from royal purple and a well known air-cooled porsche race engine and FAA certified powerplant mechanic believes.

don't reference my post insinuating that i am wrong and not expect me to retort.
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it is not just what i believe but what an engineer from royal purple and a well known air-cooled porsche race engine and FAA certified powerplant mechanic believes.

don't reference my post insinuating that i am wrong and not expect me to retort.
Well, as far as I'm concerned you are wrong. You don't think it's appropriate to change the oil to fresh in a seasonally stored engine when being stored ...fine, That's your choice. I don't agree with it and I don't agree with your oil engineer or "well known" mechanic either.
40 + years of riding, tuning, racing, servicing, rebuilding, restoring, collecting and storing motorcycles tells me different. That experience has proven to me that it's false economy to skimp on an extra oil change. Damage to engine parts from contaminants while sitting in used oil is a real possibility, especially in a wet sump engine. But, even in a dry sump system why would you want to have oil that's been run even a few hundred miles and then left sitting in the tank for months circulate through your engine at your first start up of Spring? All I'm saying and have been saying is why take the chance of damage when it's so cheap and easy to prevent it? Quite frankly, it seems ridiculous to me to even raise the question.

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I change the oil before storing, fill up tank, and battery tender

Its not unusual for me to ride in the winter if it hits the 40's/50's, so mileage is added to that fresh oil change

Otherwise, I change the oil (synthetic) every 5k with the filter

I haven't really put much thought into storing the bike as it does get used sometimes in the winter
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have you ever seen the acid etching on engine components? especially on a modern engine, where the combustion blowback that gets into the oil is now minuscule compared to engines even 2 decades ago? the additive packages in oil have gotten better and better with every year and the contamination rates have dropped

if youre most of the way to the oil change then change it cause its gonna need it soon, otherwise i just leave it.

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Well, as far as I'm concerned you are wrong. You don't think it's appropriate to change the oil to fresh in a seasonally stored engine when being stored ...fine, That's your choice. I don't agree with it and I don't agree with your oil engineer or "well known" mechanic either.
40 + years of riding, tuning, racing, servicing, rebuilding, restoring, collecting and storing motorcycles tells me different. That experience has proven to me that it's false economy to skimp on an extra oil change. Damage to engine parts from contaminants while sitting in used oil is a real possibility, especially in a wet sump engine. But, even in a dry sump system why would you want to have oil that's been run even a few hundred miles and then left sitting in the tank for months circulate through your engine at your first start up of Spring? All I'm saying and have been saying is why take the chance of damage when it's so cheap and easy to prevent it? Quite frankly, it seems ridiculous to me to even raise the question.
the oil you used 40 years ago isn't even close to the quality of the oil now. your ignorance will obviously last much longer.

for some reason you think only your opinion counts. someone asked for opinions and i gave mine. you then prefaced your opinion by saying mine was wrong then claimed to be just "giving your opinion". that kind of makes you a dick, in my opinion.

how can you sleep at night knowing your engine needs its oil changed because it has been 2999 miles? the acids, contaminants and combustion byproducts must be dissolving all the metal in the engine. in one more mile it will all turn to goo.

don't bother answering because i don't care.

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I know what your problem is. Obviously you have a thing to troll for an argument. In each post I've stated that it's your choice to change the oil on your bike and you come back with unnamed "experts" and now you're calling me ignorant and resorting to name calling. Obviously you DO care and very much because you'd never have posted over a month later if you didn't.
I'll make my case with ACTUAL experts that can be referrenced by anyone...Click any or all of the links below.
Three examples of numerous current links to EXPERT motorcycle sites ALL about storing a motorcycle for the winter. Each one states that changing the oil to fresh for the lay up period is a very important step. They cite the same reasons I do. They don't qualify that the step is optional if mileage on the oil is low...they say that the oil should be changed...PERIOD.
I DO NOT give bad advice or outdated advice about taking excellent care of motorcycles and I WILL NOT accept someone posting that I do.
Do what you will with your bike but when I get asked what is the correct way to handle something like winter storage, I give the correct and proper recommendation.

http://www.harley-performance.com/winter-storage.html

Http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/maint...terstorage.htm

http://www.clarity.net/adam/winter-storage.html

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