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Victory Motorcycles?

Does anyone here ride one? My bro is looking into picking one up and wants an overall opinion. Build quality, reliability, comfort, etc.
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haven't heard anything abou them yet. but that victory vegas is bad ass man.

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They get better every year. The build quallity and reliabillity are quite good. I've demo'd one and it was a nice bike with good power. They're built in Spring Lake, Iowa, USA

If I were in the market for a cruiser, I'd consider one for sure.

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A Polaris bike. I like their looks, I like the Kingpin, but I can't get past the single front disc that 90% of their bikes have. They have that Ness build that has that 'class of 1970's' chopper look to it. Kinda cool.
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They look nice. I haven't heard anything negative about them. I don't know anything about the support behind them so I can't comment.

That said, I hope this company fares better than some of it's compettitors did such as Indian and Excelsior-Henderson.

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That said, I hope this company fares better than some of it's compettitors did such as Indian and Excelsior-Henderson.
Big difference is that Victory has a profitable, well-run, company behind it in Polaris.
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Big difference is that Victory has a profitable, well-run, company behind it in Polaris.
Yeah, but so did Harley Davidson back in the 70's(AMF). In 1982 HD was sold to a group of 11 investors for $1 million. AMF shopped all over the world for buyers but couldn't find anyone willing to take on $90 million in debt that was HD. Luckily, Willie G. and some of his friends came up with the dough and hired a savvy CEO to manage the operation. The rest is history.

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Big difference is that Victory has a profitable, well-run, company behind it in Polaris.
Yep. Excelsior had beautiful bikes, but the guys running the place spent money they didn't need to. The building is huge (and still empty) their paint booth was rumored to be the 3rd best in the automotive industry. Cripes, they're bikes, they don't have to have better paint than BMW cars. Especially in their first year of production.
I've seen the Polaris/Victory test mule, the very first bike they built, and it looks cobbled together from swap meet parts. It's ugly. But it was just a tool to see what worked, and I think they've figured it out.

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haven't heard anything abou them yet. but that victory vegas is bad ass man.
+1, how about the "8ball" version, me likey!

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Yeah, but so did Harley Davidson back in the 70's(AMF). In 1982 HD was sold to a group of 11 investors for $1 million. AMF shopped all over the world for buyers but couldn't find anyone willing to take on $90 million in debt that was HD. Luckily, Willie G. and some of his friends came up with the dough and hired a savvy CEO to manage the operation. The rest is history.
AMF (Always Moving Furniture) flunks the 'well-run' test.
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Made in Iowa? What the hell do pig farmers know about building bikes?
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AMF (Always Moving Furniture) flunks the 'well-run' test.
Remember, that was in the 70's. As I remember, they made the VERY best bowling pins.

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Polaris actually made motorcycles, along with snowmobiles, when the company first started. The discontinued making motorcycles because the market didn't support them. Now they only manufacture numbers that the market will support.

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I am curious as to what the level of support is as compared to HD. From what I've experienced, the dealers are much smaller than HD's and they are usually sold in conjunction with other brands at their dealers. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes the parts availability is lacking when the dealer is forced to stock all brands, thus waiting for parts becomes the norm. This is something some of you are probably used to since most foriegn bike dealers sell more than one brand.

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I am shure they are a good bike. I don't think you can buy a bad bike today from a mainstream manufacturer. Having said that I don't think they sell very many and only have a few dealers, so you might have trouble selling it or trading it in later on.You might weant to call a few dealers blind pretending you already own one and ask if they would take it as a trade.
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In 1982 HD was sold to a group of 11 investors for $1 million. AMF shopped all over the world for buyers but couldn't find anyone willing to take on $90 million in debt that was HD

That is a complete load of BS, and not fact, sorry
First off it was 13 investors
Second off, there were several investors looking to buy HD, but they wanted to part it out, meaning the end of motorcycles built in the USA, it would also mean that AMF put Harley out of business, wouldn't look good to anybody hear in the US
So instead of selling to an Italian company, they sold it to the 13 people who wanted to keep HD alive
Read the history of HD, its an interesting and inspiring story, than go talk to any of the 13 that are still alive, its even more interesting when they tell what was really going on
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From everything I have read, Victory motorcycles of the last 2-3 years are very well made. Quality and reliabilty is up there with the best of them.

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In 1982 HD was sold to a group of 11 investors for $1 million. AMF shopped all over the world for buyers but couldn't find anyone willing to take on $90 million in debt that was HD

That is a complete load of BS, and not fact, sorry
First off it was 13 investors
Second off, there were several investors looking to buy HD, but they wanted to part it out, meaning the end of motorcycles built in the USA, it would also mean that AMF put Harley out of business, wouldn't look good to anybody hear in the US
So instead of selling to an Italian company, they sold it to the 13 people who wanted to keep HD alive
Read the history of HD, its an interesting and inspiring story, than go talk to any of the 13 that are still alive, its even more interesting when they tell what was really going on
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Sorry the number pissed you off so. I was speaking from memory. I met and spoke to the fella that was the Chairman of the Board of Harley in 1982 at a management seminar last year and I was relating the story as I remembered. So, I personally don't think this is a "complete" load of BS. His name is Richard Teerlink. He liked the Harley shirt I was wearing and took me aside to speak after his speach.

The following is an exerpt from the UPDATE for Alumni of UW School of Business:

"In 1982, Harley-Davidson had no money of its own," said Teerlink, who once served on the company's board of directors. "We were $90 million in debt, and bankers weren't willing to loan us a penny. We had a good brand and loyal customers, but we weren't generating a profit because we didn't have a quality product at that point. We had to improve the quality of our product to be fair to the customer. If we hadn't improved the reliability of Harley-Davidson products, the company wouldn't be here today."

Not only is the company alive and well today, it reported record earnings for its third quarter ending September 28, 2003. Revenue for the quarter was $1.134 billion, and retail sales of Harley-Davidson motorcycles in the United States grew more than 27 percent compared with last year's third quarter.

Exerpt from the Milwaukee Journal Centinel:

The company's darkest hour came in 1981, after a group of Harley managers bought out the company from its former parent, AMF. There were no other buyers.

"If you can't find a buyer, sell it to the employees because they don't know any better," recalled retired Harley Chairman Richard Teerlink, who joined the company in the days after the buyout.

The company worked on its quality problems but continued to struggle with slow sales, horrendous debt, high interest rates and what Harley-Davidson chairman and chief executive officerJeff Bleusteintermed "vicious bankers" that nearly pushed the company into bankruptcy.

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In February 1981, a group of 13 Harley-Davidson executives signed a letter of intent to purchase the company from American Machine & Foundry. By then, Rodney Gott, who had become a self-proclaimed "Harley freak," had retired, and AMF had lost its enthusiasm for the motorcycle trade. The deal was engineered by Vaughn Beals, an AMF executive sent to Milwaukee to reorganize Harley in the mid-1970s and the current chairman of the company's board of directors.

Beals structured a leveraged buyout requiring only $1 million in cash and about $80 million in loans (Harley was valued at about $300 million at the time). Financing was easily arranged through a consortium of eager banks led by Citicorp. As one Citicorp executive later observed, "what hit me was that this was the only product I'd ever seen that people had tattooed on their bodies."

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Guess your right, i just dont pull facts from cigar mags, but you win
Oh i was never pissed, if i was i wouldnt have said sorry, by the way Tim;\'s a nice guy, meet him at the several POT training semenars i ahve been to, however he has a tendancey to spin a story, if i fell up to it, i will look up the book reguarding how AMF actually saved HD, from being split up, there were other buyers, just none want to keep the company making motorcycle
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and what does this have to do with victory motorcycles? bastardize your own thread!
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Victory makes a decent bike but only buy one if you're going to keep it for a long time. Like the Buel for some reason those brands both have bad resale values. Just something to think about.

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Victory makes a decent bike but only buy one if you're going to keep it for a long time. Like the Buel for some reason those brands both have bad resale values. Just something to think about.
cool, it's not for me it's for my brother. He's been looking to get on a cruiser for a while just doesn't want to shell out the big $$
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