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Harley Sued

Anyone see the article in the suntimes about the guy from Lemont suing Harley for known wobble after 50 MPH on the FLH series? He was thrown resulting in brain damage.

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Anyone see the article in the suntimes about the guy from Lemont suing Harley for known wobble after 50 MPH on the FLH series? He was thrown resulting in brain damage.

Interesting..

Link...http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...-harley13.html




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sounds like they need a dampener

sucks that he got hurt.. but did he have a lid on? humm....

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sounds like they need a dampener

sucks that he got hurt.. but did he have a lid on? humm....
damn you type fast, I was going to ask the same question... so does everybody highside the FLH at 50mph?

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Whatever happened with the lawsuit in England against Suzuki for the TL?

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damn you type fast, I was going to ask the same question... so does everybody highside the FLH at 50mph?
Everybody? No..possibly some


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Sound like he is terrible shape "Now, he suffers from disorientation, he fatigues easily, and he can't multitask. He tried going back to work, but he couldn't"



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The FLH's do have an issue with straight line tracking on the road. Although its not a tank slapper that occurs. From what I have read on the net, it has to do with the relationship of how the swing arm is mounted to the frame. Supposedly it is rubber mounted and it can flex a bit causing the bike to feel a bit unstable. I'm really hoping to see Harley come out with a fix for this as it can be annoying at times. Not sure what happened to this guy, maybe he just didn't know how to ride and couldn't handle it or over corrected for it causing loss of control. Its nothing really crazy, just kind of like the feeling when you go across a diagnal tar sealant strip in the road while going straight.




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I've heard of Streetglides hitting 115 so ummmmmmmmmmmmm


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The FLH's do have an issue with straight line tracking on the road.
But not to the point where an accident would occur.

For this guy to have a valid case, he would have to have documentation that H-D knew that it could cause an accident; and there is no such thing. I've read every technical bulletin the company has ever published.

I'd be curious to know about the tires. Were they correctly matched? What was the psi? Any unusual or excessive wear? And, what about the bike's service record. Had it been in for all the recommended services? When was the last time a technician inspected the "3 swing" on the front end? Were there any road conditions that might have contributed?

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Whatever happened with the lawsuit in England against Suzuki for the TL?
I thought that was settled without a disclosed payout. Of course that's why TLs were given stock steering dampers after the initial batch.

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You'd have a hard time convincing me that a seasoned rider didn't notice this problem on his bike ahead of time. I would also find it hard to set the specific % that he's responsable, vs the manufacturer. There were definitely measure he could've taken to both limit the likelyhood of a crash, as well as minimize the impact.

I'd bet HD settles though, seems cost effective.
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I thought that was settled without a disclosed payout. Of course that's why TLs were given stock steering dampers after the initial batch.

Check this website. I don't have time to run through all the cases right now.

http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/news.html

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Seems like the problem is prevalent enough that many HD owners share similar concerns. Harley should do something even if it’s just to avoid future frivolous law suits.




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You'd have a hard time convincing me that a seasoned rider didn't notice this problem on his bike ahead of time. I would also find it hard to set the specific % that he's responsable, vs the manufacturer. There were definitely measure he could've taken to both limit the likelyhood of a crash, as well as minimize the impact.

I'd bet HD settles though, seems cost effective.

Yes anyone who knows how to ride well just finds the issue a bit annoying, not anything to panic over. But if he was a newbie, add in what Claude mentioned about road conditions, and maybe even some alcohol. (acher usually sucks) and bam you have potential for issues with crash's.

There is a guy who came out with a brace that is supposed to stiffen up the rear end, but in true harley fashion he wants over 200 bucks for it. I woudl like to see Harely come out with something to fix it and offer it either as a recall or a cheap upgrade to remedy the issue, as it is a design flaw.




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Too bad this guy got hurt.

Anyone know the speed limit on the street he was on?

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Too bad this guy got hurt.

Anyone know the speed limit on the street he was on?

45 I believe if he was on the section I think he was.




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Does anyone know if the bike the guy was riding has spoked wheels? He may have experienced the same thing a friend of mine did on his 2003 Heritage Softtail. His backend began to wobble violently as we were coming into Sturgis back in 2004. This happened after we completed about 950 miles of the trip. We thought it may have been due to a broken cord in the tire. When he had the tire changed in Sturgis the mechanic came over and told us there was something wrong with the wheel. It turns out that a bunch of the spokes were sloppy loose. The mechanic was basically a tire changer(since it was a tire tent ) so my friend and I tightened the spokes and trued the wheel as best we could using the tire balancer machine as a guide. This took care of the problem and the fix lasted since then. He has put on well over 15,000 miles since then. I assume that there was a problem with the spoke tension from the factory.

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If it's due to the spoke tension, from the factory installation of the spokes, H-D could surely be held negligent but, I don't know how that might affect future cases of such crashes.

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Damn, that sucks.

I didn't know they could go that fast.

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Damn, that sucks.

I didn't know they could go that fast.

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man baggers with that batwing fairing have had wobble issues since forever.
I can make it come and go by taking off the fairing.

I think its something to do with the way the air runs over the fairing.
but I"m no engineer.

I know if you wheelie, the wobble goes right away

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I know if you wheelie, the wobble goes right away


Good one!

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