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Maybe Sherrif joe has something?

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Sheriff Joe's posse: 'Probable cause' Obama certificate a fraud
Arpaio elevates to criminal probe, person of interest ID'd
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inShare.0 Text smaller Text biggerAds by GoogleState Rep. 52nd DistrictFind out why Kent Gaffney is the right choice for our community. kentgaffney.comPHOENIX – An investigative “Cold Case Posse” launched six months ago by “America’s toughest sheriff” – Joe Arpaio of Arizona’s Maricopa County – has concluded there is probable cause that the document released by the White House last year as President Obama’s birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery.

Arpaio, at a news conference in Phoenix live-streamed by WND TV that began at 3 p.m. Eastern time, has elevated the investigation to a criminal probe that will make the resources of his Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office available to his volunteer posse.

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Arapaio, known for his strict enforcement of immigration laws, commissioned the investigative team after local citizens presented him with a petition expressing concern that Obama might not be eligible for Arizona’s presidential ballot.

In addition to the live-streaming, WND is making available to the public a report distributed to media today by Arpaio’s investigators.

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The posse, comprised of former law enforcement officers and lawyers with law enforcement experience, has interviewed dozens of witnesses and examined hundreds of documents. It also has taken numerous sworn statements from witnesses around the world.

Mike Zullo, Arpaio’s lead investigator, said his team believes the Hawaii Department of Health has engaged in a systematic effort to hide from public inspection any original 1961 birth records it may have in its possession.

“Officers of the Hawaii Department of Health and various elected Hawaiian public officials may have intentionally obscured 1961 birth records and procedures to avoid having to release to public inspection and to the examination of court-authorized forensic examiners any original Obama 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health may or may not have,” Zullo said.

The investigators say the evidence contained in the computer-generated PDF file released by the White House as well as important deficiencies in the Hawaii process of certifying the long-form birth certificate establish probable cause that a forgery has been committed.

The investigation was launched after 250 members of the Surprise, Ariz., Tea Party, presented a signed petition to Arpaio in August 2011 asking him to undertake the investigation.

The Tea Party members petitioned under the premise that if a forged birth certificate was used to place Barack Obama on the 2012 Arizona presidential ballot, their rights as Maricopa County voters could be compromised.

Arpaio believes a congressional investigation might be warranted and has asked that any information relevant to the investigation held by other law enforcement agencies be forwarded to his office.

The Cold Case Posse advised Arpaio that they believe forgers committed two crimes. First, they say it appears the White House fraudulently created a forgery that it characterized as an officially produced governmental birth record. Second, the White House fraudulently presented to the residents of Maricopa County and to the American public at large a forgery represented as “proof positive” of President Obama’s authentic 1961 Hawaii long-form birth certificate.

“A continuing investigation is needed to identify the identity of the person or persons involved in creating the alleged birth certificate forgery and to determine who, if anyone, in the White House or the state of Hawaii may have authorized the forgery,” Arpaio said.

Among the evidence released at the press conference are five videos – which can be seen at the end of this article – to demonstrate why the Obama long-form birth certificate is suspected to be a computer-generated forgery.

The videos consist of step-by-step computer demonstrations using a control document. They display the testing used by the investigators to examine various claims made by supporters of the April 27 document.

The investigators contend the videos illustrate their conclusion that the features and anomalies observed on the Obama long-form birth certificate were inconsistent with features produced when a paper document is scanned, even if the scan is enhanced by Optical Character Recognition, OCR, and optimized.

Additionally, the posse says, the videos demonstrate that the Hawaii Department of Health Registrar’s name stamp and the registrar’s date stamp were computer-generated images imported into an electronic document, as opposed to rubber stamp imprints inked by hand or machine onto a paper document.

“That we were able to cast reasonable suspicions on the authenticity of the registrar stamps was especially disturbing, since these stamp imprints are designed to provide government authentication to the document itself,” Zullo said, emphasizing that if the registrar stamps are forgeries, the document itself is likely a forgery.

The investigators also chronicled a series of allegedly inconsistent and misleading representations that various Hawaii government officials have made over the past five years regarding any original birth records held by the Hawaii Department of Health.

“As I said at the beginning of the investigation, the president can put all this to rest quite easily,” Arpaio said. “All he has to do is demand the Hawaii Department of Health release to the American public and to a panel of certified court-authorized forensic examiners all original 1961 paper, microfilm and computer birth records the Hawaii Department of Health has in its possession.”

Arpaio emphasized that the Hawaii Department of Health needs to provide, as part of the full disclosure, evidence regarding the chain of custody of all Obama birth records, including paper, microfilm and electronic records to eliminate the possibility that a forger or forgers may have tampered with the birth records.

The sheriff said the president should also authorize Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Hospital, the birth hospital listed on the Obama long-form birth certificate, to release any hospital patient records for Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, his mother, and for the newly born Barack Obama, to provide corroboration for the records held in the Hawaii Department of Health vault.

“Absent the authentic Hawaii Department of Health 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, there is no other credible proof supporting the idea or belief that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, as he and the White House have consistently asserted,” Zullo said.

“In fact, absent the authentication of Hawaii Department of Health 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, there is no other proof he was born anywhere within the United States.”

In addition, investigators say they have developed credible evidence that President Obama’s Selective Service card was a forgery, based on an examination of the postal date stamp on the document. Also, records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of President Obama’s birth.

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I have been saying this all along . Why cant he just show us the cert ? The real ,one I mean.
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we knew alot of this 3 1/2 years ago,you could produce a super 8 movie of obummer being born in kenya and it wouldn't change anything, but props to old Joe for standing up to obama's bullying of him and his state
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This is all moot anyways, true or not...he IS President. All this stuff does is distract people from the real issues.

If you don't want him in office, vote him out in November. It's that simple.

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My god, just drop the damn birth certificate already.

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This is all moot anyways, true or not...he IS President. All this stuff does is distract people from the real issues.

If you don't want him in office, vote him out in November. It's that simple.
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If the people of Maricopa County Arizona are willing to waste money on this crap, let them.

But I believe that it's merely a political distraction. (so what are they trying to distract us from?)

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Good grief people, let's stay relatively on topic, eh?

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What if everything turns out to be fraud before the election? I bet he won't be re-elected, so let him do what he wants, no?

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I'm voting for the next guy who's gonna decrease my taxes and is gonna keep the government out of my business.

I was really hoping Ron Paul to have more support.
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obama has been poking AZ and sherrif joe with a stick over the immigrant law and old joe is a mean dog and dont like it, obummer shouldn be suprised when he gets bit
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In a President of the United States of America vs. Sheriff Joe bout, the Prez will win every time. Hands down.

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I have been saying this all along . Why cant he just show us the cert ? The real ,one I mean.
They have! It has been viewed. They are just not letting it out of their possession. People just want to believe what they want. Let this BS go already. This is right up there with the Swift Boat Vets rhetoric. Remember, if you say something long enough and loud enough there must be some truth in it…

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joe didnt ask to be attacked by the federal govt, but they did attack him, personally

this is his only recourse, and he is right, the document is a forgery, i,e seen the study of it and its pretty obvious, it may not be a winnable fight with the power of the feds against a county sherrif, but the fact that joe went this far says alot, they put his back against the wall, he didnt ask for this
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IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Sheesh...I mean seriously, it....doesn't...matter. BO is the President. He's in office now and there he will remain unless he is voted out in November.

I honestly just do not understand the point of any of this.

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Factual Problems

1. No official seal.
2. No footprint.
3. According to the hospital’s website, in 1961 that hospital was named Kauaikeolani Children’s Hospital. It did not change its name to the Kapiolani Maternity Hospital until it merged with the Kapiolani hospital system in 1978.
4. Dr. Sinclair was working at the Kauaikeolani Children’s hospital in 1961.
5. Instead of “African” under father’s race, “Colored” or “Negro” would have been used in 1961.
6. Birth certificate of someone born at the same hospital a day later has a lower number.
7. The “Date Accepted” is four days later than “Date of Birth.”
8. No birth weight.
9. Address for Obama’s childhood home is the middle of a highway.
10. Hawaii’s Governor until recently claimed there was no birth certificate.
11. His birth name was Barry Saetoro (held through college, e.g. Occidental transcript), and he changed his name to Barack Obama after visiting Pakistan. (Some say he started with the name Barak Obama, then changed to Barry Soetoro, then back to Barak Obama)

Typesetting Problems

1. The content portion is obviously cropped and laid on top of a new background.
2. Obviously Photoshopped, with layers revealed when the Whitehouse pdf is opened in Adobe Illustrator.
3. There is no “chromatic aberration” around the letters and numbers, which normally shows up in enlarged viewing of color scans. (Link)
4. “41″ at to right of document looks suspicious, as the 1 is a different pixilation and doesn’t appear to be as “aged” as the digits preceding it.


5. The type for “Caucasian” is too perfect, not possible for a typewriter from 1961.
6. Under hour of birth, the “M.” in “P.M.” is a different font.
7. The patterned background is too seamless for a document kept in a bound volume.
8. Two mysterious Xs above “twin” and “triplet.”
9. Unexplained “8991″ on document’s right side.
10. Still says “Certificate of Live Birth.”
11. Signature of mother and attendant are too similar.

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IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Sheesh...I mean seriously, it....doesn't...matter. BO is the President. He's in office now and there he will remain unless he is voted out in November.

I honestly just do not understand the point of any of this.
Because he lied to get there and is there illegally.

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don't have all the time to read dat


If sheriff joe is that guy that has outdoor prison, he should run for president. He don't care if hes politically correct, he gets shit done.


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Because he lied to get there and is there illegally.


Ok, but that's not going to get him out of office.

If that's actually fact, then let a documentary tackle it and embarrass both he and the party. ...but right now the focus should be on beating him in the election.

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Good point, agreed.

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Ok, but that's not going to get him out of office.

If that's actually fact, then let a documentary tackle it and embarrass both he and the party. ...but right now the focus should be on beating him in the election.
Whats funny is no matter what proof they pull up th emedia will distort it and he will get reelceted, its like that dave chappllee episode with Rkelly in court and the burden of proof - go to youtube and type in chapple pee on me or something awesome episode!

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Here's a better copy of his long form birth certificate:


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IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Sheesh...I mean seriously, it....doesn't...matter. BO is the President. He's in office now and there he will remain unless he is voted out in November.

I honestly just do not understand the point of any of this.



your logic has no place here, cerk!

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Actually, IF it could be proved without doubt that he is ineligible under the Constitutional requirements he could be immediately removed and Biden would serve as President until the outcome of the election. But, at this point the process would likely take so long that we'd be past the election before it was concluded. It of course would require articles of impeachment and a trial. I think it would be just as if he commited a crime in office so the trial would be conducted in the Senate. But, since it is a question of his eligibility for the presidency I could be mistaken about the jurisdiction of the Senate and it could be required for it to be heard in either federal district court in D.C. or in the Supreme court.
Here's the kicker for me...It's no secret I am a serious opponant to The President's politics, agenda, his vision for this country and the policies he wants to impose but it still sticks with me that his mother was a natural born citizen of this country and with that fact I believe eligibility does extend. That's my opinion based on the eligibilty requirements as I understand them. It also sticks with me that he is continually hiding his actual official birth documents...and that troubles me...just What exactly is he wanting to keep from being known?...AND...What about his college records?

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IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Sheesh...I mean seriously, it....doesn't...matter. BO is the President. He's in office now and there he will remain unless he is voted out in November.

I honestly just do not understand the point of any of this.
Doh! He committed a crime and you're okay with that? Typical libturd.
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Doh! He committed a crime and you're okay with that? Typical libturd.
libturd? What exactly is a libturd? And if you think Cerk is a liberal you must not pay much attention around here.

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libturd? What exactly is a libturd? And if you think Cerk is a liberal you must not pay much attention around here.
libtard, libturd, same shit
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COMMENTARY | President Barack Obama issued an executive order Tuesday establishing another new bureaucracy.



Obama again circumvented Congress with his latest Executive Order, the Establishment of the Interagency Trade Enforcement Center.



The order begins with the line, "By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America," which begs the question: Is the president ignorant or indifferent?



The Constitution gives the president no such power to regulate commerce. This power is exclusive to the Congress.



Obama's presidential aggrandization should come as no shock from a man who ordained himself a professor when, in reality, only reaching the rank of "senior lecturer," as reported by FactCheck.org.



On March 30, 2007, Obama stated, "I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president [George W. Bush] I actually respect the Constitution." His track record proves differently.



http://news.yahoo.com/obama-issues-a...222500519.html
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