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Obama signs anti-protest Bill

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Only days after clearing Congress, US President Barack Obama signed his name to H.R. 347 on Thursday, officially making it a federal offense to cause a disturbance at certain political events — essentially criminalizing protest in the States.

RT broke the news last month that H.R. 347, the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011, had overwhelmingly passed the US House of Representatives after only three lawmakers voted against it. On Thursday this week, President Obama inked his name to the legislation and authorized the government to start enforcing a law that has many Americans concerned over how the bill could bury the rights to assemble and protest as guaranteed in the US Constitution.

Under H.R. 347, which has more commonly been labeled the Trespass Bill by Congress, knowingly entering a restricted area that is under the jurisdiction of Secret Service protection can garner an arrest. The law is actually only a slight change to earlier legislation that made it an offense to knowingly and willfully commit such a crime. Under the Trespass Bill’s latest language chance, however, someone could end up in law enforcement custody for entering an area that they don’t realize is Secret Service protected and “engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct” or “impede[s] or disrupt[s] the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions.”

The Secret Service serves as the police that protects not just current and former American presidents, but are also dispatched to monitor special events of national significance, a category with a broad cast of qualifiers. In the past, sporting events, state funerals, inaugural addresses and NATO and G-8 Summits have been designated as such by the US Department of Homeland Security, the division that decides when and where the Secret Service are needed outside of their normal coverage.

Mara Verheyden-Hilliard of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund tells the International Business Times that the Trespass Bill in its current form “means it's easier to prosecute under 'knowingly,'” instead of both knowingly and willfully, “which is an issue because someone could knowingly enter a restricted but not necessarily realize they are committing a crime.” Speaking with IB Times, Verheyden-Hilliard tries to lay to rest claims that the Constitution will be crippled by the Trespass Bill, but acknowledges that it does indeed allow law enforcement to have added incentive to arrest protesters who could be causing a disturbance.

"[HR 347] has been described as a death knell for the First Amendment, but that isn't supported by the facts," Verheyden-Hilliard adds. "This has always been a bad law."

Gabe Rottman of the American Civil Liberties Union adds to IB Times, "Bottom line, it doesn't create any new violations of the law.” So far, however, it has raised awareness of the levels that the US government are willing to go to in order to make it harder to express ones’ self.

Under the act, protesting in areas covered by Secret Service could land a demonstrator behind bars, and the thing about the Secret Service (in case you couldn’t tell by their name), is that they don’t always make it clear where they are. You could even say that the service they provide, at times, is kept secret.

Presidential hopefuls Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum are now officially covered under Secret Service protection, making it a federal offense to disrupt a campaign stop. That means whether it’s by way of a glitter bomb protest or causing a disturbance on the same Holiday Inn hotel floor that Santorum is staying in, doing such could cause a bit of a legal battle for the persons involved.

Although the G-8 Summit originally scheduled for Chicago this spring would have made much of the Windy City a protected area where crimes could easily be tacked on to arrested protesters, the event was moved this week to the presidential retreat at Camp David. In turn, many have suggested that the White House is only going out of their way to limit protesting rights. While a Chicago summit would have meant the Trespass Bill could have been enforced in the same area where thousands of demonstrators were expected to protest, moving the event to a heavily fortified rural location will instead deter protesters from likely coming close atto the meeting at all.

And before you forget, the president can now detain you for getting too close to his front yard, order your assassination if the country considers you a threat and lock you away for life with no charge if you’re alleged to be a terrorist. You, on the other hand, can’t yell obscenities at Newt Gingrich without risking arrest.



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Just think it these bills were enacted in the prime days of the women movement, black panthers, Jesse Jackson, white suprimest. Face it. Weirther good or bad came from these opposing view and vocal points of protest the world wouldnt be as it is today. (free speech)
Open and free for all to voice themselves.

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And some people said GWB was taking our rights away.
No shit right? First go after guns, then free speach, whats next??? who knows, but for those of us that studied history, Nazi germany might give us some insite.




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No shit right? First go after guns, then free speach, whats next??? who knows, but for those of us that studied history, Nazi germany might give us some insite.
Whats the old saying? "Those who dont learn history are doomed to repeat it"?


Although it would had been great to use this "law" against the libtard protestors up here. Kids definately would love it since there would be a good chance their teacher would be sitting in the pokey.

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You cant blame him , he doesnt know what the bill of rights are . I hate foreigners who come here and refuse to educate themselves with the American constitution .
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Think about something for a second. If the nazis knocked on jewish residents doors at the very first instant they had the littlest control and said "hey jew get in that truck so we can take you to a camp and burn you and your family to death" do you think it would have happened? Of course not. In all likelihood people would have fought immediately. Slow and steady does it every time. They had them take baby steps all the way to the gates of the camp and then before they knew it...get in the oven.

Not literally how it occurred but you get the general idea

Same thing is going on with our rights...slow and steady. The very final step is always getting firearms away from it's citizens

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FYI:

This bill passed the House 399-3 Roll Call and passed the Senate by Unanimous Consent with Amendments. The Amended version passed the House 388-3.

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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf

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This bill passed the House 399-3 Roll Call and passed the Senate by Unanimous Consent with Amendments. The Amended version passed the House 388-3.

You can read the actual biil at:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf
But, but, but Obama signed it. It must be socialistic and evil.

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This bill passed the House 399-3 Roll Call and passed the Senate by Unanimous Consent with Amendments. The Amended version passed the House 388-3.

You can read the actual biil at:

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annnnnnnnd this makes it ok?

As a child of the 60's I would think you of all people would be outraged.




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annnnnnnnd this makes it ok?

As a child of the 60's I would think you of all people would be outraged.
You may like to know that this was an amendment to a law passed Jan 2, 1971. Were you offended by it since then?


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1752

I provided a link to read the actual bill, not commentary.

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I blame OWS because they don' know how to protest.



Its like the trouble maker that makes everyone not have playtime because he wants to be an idiot.



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You may like to know that this was an amendment to a law passed Jan 2, 1971. Were you offended by it since then?


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1752

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You seem stuck on the typical rhetoric of blaming another administration, and trying to make the point that I should come out and say I think it's ok if bush or a republican did it. Quite the contrary, I believe in our constitutional rights, I don't give a damn what party someone us from if they want to step on those rights. quite trying to deflect that you think I'm just picking in Obama here, I don't care if it was Reagan crawling out of his grave to sign this bill, I'd still be pissed. It's horseshit and I have no problem saying it. Of course if I were to say it anywhere near a political event or anywhere the secret service is involved in protection, I'd go to jail for saying that. But I guess you aren't bothered by an egregious violation of your civil rights. You only care about rhetoric it seems.




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You seem stuck on the typical rhetoric of blaming another administration, and trying to make the point that I should come out and say I think it's ok if bush or a republican did it. Quite the contrary, I believe in our constitutional rights, I don't give a damn what party someone us from if they want to step on those rights. quite trying to deflect that you think I'm just picking in Obama here, I don't care if it was Reagan crawling out of his grave to sign this bill, I'd still be pissed. It's horseshit and I have no problem saying it. Of course if I were to say it anywhere near a political event or anywhere the secret service is involved in protection, I'd go to jail for saying that. But I guess you aren't bothered by an egregious violation of your civil rights. You only care about rhetoric it seems.
Please explain where I have posted any rhetoric or said anything about blame.

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This bill passed the House 399-3 Roll Call and passed the Senate by Unanimous Consent with Amendments. The Amended version passed the House 388-3.

You can read the actual biil at:

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The usual, trying to bring party lines into it




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I must be missing a post or something, I don't see where party lines were mentioned. Just simply that the bill was passed a while back and this is a revision of it.

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The usual, trying to bring party lines into it
The only real party line comment I see was when someone said:

"Here's some more hope and change for ya."

Otherwise while I may or may not like it is was massively supported by both parties.

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"Here's some more hope and change for ya."
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But, but, but Obama signed it. It must be socialistic and evil.



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surprises me how much people railed about the patriot act, But this is getting no attention in the media whatsoever. I guess when they keep taking your rights in increments, people just don't notice it.

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ya i love that mainstream media isn't picking this up.

also shocked fox hasn't slammed the shit out of Barry on this.

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When was the last time you felt the need to protest inside a Secret Service perimeter?

Before you answer "but what if the Clintons are in town and they are walking through the food court and I was just about to march around the Orange Julius to let the teenagers know how I feel about universal health care and now I'm in jail"...think about the reality of that statement.

General peaceful assembly and protest (from what I can read) remains unaffected by this bill. It just stipulates that you can't do it on the front lawn of the White House.

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